What Happened to Remix. Worth Using Axios? Client Only Next.js?

that will collect all of the commits or or all of the talking to your your trusted other system, which is your your API endpoint. But I probably would say because I had built everything on on React server components. And it it's largely a a static content based website, So you're you can go all the way to one side, which is requests

breaking changes I kinda regret that. You know? I was just like, well, I'll just make it look good.

to see if there's any new features that have been added. And then major, Vite We'll say real quick, please keep the potluck questions coming. Go to syntax.fm.

size and width of it. And it's there's a couple other things where it will try, like, emulate touch and and whatnot, but you're not actually getting

super paying attention to every browser release, but watching for that isn't sufficient.

smaller because the the mobile or And I always like, like, a platform as a service that would tell you. However, sewing and making dresses and things like that. She was like, yeah. I need, like, a battery while I'm filming. And, like, where do I how do I attach this? I was like and she's like, I need a light. I'm like, you know what? We gotta get a cage and just, like, attach everything to the cage and put your phone in the middle. So we Scott this, like, beautiful all the small rig stuff is, like, this amazing in three years from now, this is a a bait question. Is it not? I've

Yeah. And I'll I'll make it like a like an actual commit where I upgrade I'm gonna sick pick. I wish I had it here, but a small rig, Next. Js is a router.

pixel all the way down to whatever your minimum No. I don't I don't think this is a movie star.

large shifts or I follow, separate back end as API routes within Next. Js and everything, including So I was just shocked at how much better the battery was, and the noise cancellation is super good on them.

you don't see major releases all that often. Almost always, there's going to be a blog post or a fetch requests, that's that's another big one.

the browsers I used to be a pilot.

everything in one go. So SemVerse is three releases. Right? You have one point two point three, and that's major, minor, and, this summer because I kept keep losing my my AirPods.

for major releases

We're just kinda tapped in. I'm more or less not Yeah. Neat.

GitHub version release

is simply just doesn't doesn't work, you know, it's it's too different, Axios will throw an error if it is an error. No questions.

and

as long as as things look good, and you should be making sure that developers have ad blockers turned on. Mhmm. And and probably the other 40% is just mobile traffic or people don't know how to install an ad blocker on their phone.

if like, mobile devices in the browser.

Nothing similar views felt

stuff changes all the time. It's it's kind of kind of like a full time job.

I'm merging class names. You know?

patch. I'll just patches, I just upgrade YOLO, whatever.

changing the viewport

needs to support lots of UIs, like a mobile app and the, HTML back like a back end for HTMLX with multiple different UIs because with HTMLX, the server returns straight up HTML. Right? So the UI always has to accept that HTML that's coming in.

HTML is being swapped in and out. But if you have that data coming in as JSON into your application,

when you have a sync engine on top. Ideally, I'm looking for something that is simple to set up and Sanity, but as long as I don't have to SSH and reboot

that are associated or or some of these other things that were out there. So for me, it was just like, oh,

is applications that need a lot of client side support,

from the programmatic programmers. So certainly pick that up.

if the UI is different, I didn't I I mean, I was so out of it. I like I said, I couldn't drive. I didn't even think about it. And then I get home, and I get a message on my, you know, find my whatever. And it's like, your AirPods are not with you. And I, like, look at it in the and they're, like, just in the middle of the mountain. I mean, they're on the mountain somewhere.

I I I would be interested to see where people are using,

HTMLX is good if you have a server and a web based UI

but I can also just switch it to client side if I need to? And I'm not going to be switching any type of templating language from from one to another.

not like click this, move this around, but things like working with local data.

I just don't like having to switch whatever it is when I decide range of databases, you can look back on it and say, $3.03

one of those? Blade or or anything like that. And and that makes sense. There's there's lots of sponsor a podcast that is developer related, So, yeah, there's they're actually a hub is is not a bad idea. She we still have lightning phones, so I've been holding off on, like, making a permanent power talking with the people who wanna sponsor your podcast because you can ask them, hey. What do you wanna get out of this sponsorship?

in a way that makes sense with, like, one client per server. And, I think that in in that case, it works really well. I got no no complaints there. But, that's that's a situation where I'd see that. HTML kind of falls apart.

which

Next question from Pontius. Hey. I'm starting to dip my toes in the local first water, and I'm tempted by the zero type of solution that Scott has been raving about Wes you bring your own database. However, I haven't had to deal with databases in a very long time, so I feel very unfamiliar there's a lot of people out there with stupid ideas

web apps.

not everybody is building a full stack JavaScript application. Right? There's Yes. I would say most people are not doing that, and they don't have that I need to make the browser small enough, but I don't wanna make my dev tools for their dev focused clients on podcast. Yes. I am very familiar with with buy sell ads. Before Century acquired Syntax,

Alpine pairs very well with HTMLX and provides exactly that. It is commonly used in HDMX, and I show many examples in my HDMX book. Shout out to Mark and his book. I have one of Mark's books on salt, so shout out to Mark. I guess my question is whether Scott feels Wes app and maybe something else, maybe even a desktop app or something. And maybe some of these are web based tech and maybe some of them are or maybe the UIs for these things are totally different. Because in that case,

JSON or it can return a component, I I just think I should try these. So they're when they're called the same. The ear two? trying to search out

Yeah. There are I'm sure there are ways that you can use,

or I can just return the entire in the web and in Node. Js, having

the HTML coming in from the server isn't gonna make a ton of Right? Or you're gonna have to implement a ton of different server endpoints for all of the different scenarios. Or if it's a native app, you're not even dealing with a a HTML here. So the HTML is great for,

web applications that need to swap out HTML

unless

I think that those are all JS interesting approaches.

my templating language or switch

I've yet to see a case where it isn't. So here's largely what I mean when I'm talking about what h t m x is suitable and not suitable for because I think it's just building different types of things.

with this server

HTMLX,

is so so beautiful to me because, like, yeah, I can return the data that is needed for this piece,

JSON API

these days? Is something like Supabase overkill JSON or text. It might be a streaming response.

it works great. Server rendered I I think if you are Welcome to Syntax. Today, we got a potluck episode for you, which is got some really good questions. One on, like, where does HTMX fall short when you need to, like, hop to the ESLint, and what's the best approach to that?

you fork it. You know?

not via, like, interactivity,

ability. They they wanna build just a clean

That makes Wes much sense. And, you know, I think the types of folks that really don't mind that approach are people who have been doing that for a while or have always written their templating language server side. Right? They're using Yeah. What is it? Like, EJS or,

Cheers. Yeah. This is kind of an interesting one because

API,

is beautiful because your API endpoints can either return can sprinkle on JavaScript with that with, with Alpine JS.

So it works in the best case scenarios where you have an application that probably only has one UI,

templated thing out. And it's simply or vitamin gummies or things like that Wes they simply just need reach for TanStack start Yeah. It looks good.

returning the raw data or a component that has that data.

Shiki JS, I was working with last week, and they use a Wasm instance to highlight everything.

And in the nav, there's a button to ask a Wes, submit it, and we'll answer it on a future episode. So first one from Ringo Starr. Hey, guys. Long time listeners, but I will disagree Yeah.

most people think that the entire library rigging stuff for my cameras. You know, you got tripods and lights and,

or a a token via, like, an authorization or a bearer header or simply just tacking on a API key onto a get Wes.

and then XML h t d p request. And now if just in the last, like, six months, they finally added support for fetch inside of it. So you couldn't use Axios on CloudFlare workers for the longest time, and I love it. I think it's a very important piece of technology. Just like jQuery, I think it's time to move along.

like the OpenAI, I'm not sure if they still use it or not, but, like, the the stack trace, the console log, having to access the data, that's a little bit of a pain

repeat requests to, like, an API endpoint You can always attach tokens to the Wes. So what do you do with Fetch? I create a wrapper to attach my token. Not everyone uses cookies for that, etcetera, etcetera. See, this this is kind of interesting JS if you are making So you gotta pick something with a strong router and then also something that is really good at doing either static

You might want to check the status of the response before you go ahead and parse out the JSON.

create a web request. So or or export it just as as a nice utility.

web request and web response.

thought. But I, you know, I I guess I didn't know anything about those limitations that you mentioned either. I I think also, like, if you think about tooling and whatnot that will inspect

if somebody, like, sends out a, for it. But I will do I use a package called n c u or npm check updates.

And if you want to load the Wasm being like,

That's a very similar pack

and that never really bothered me too much. Mhmm. But, yeah, I think it's just a I never got into the habit of using Axios, so I never,

with you in this one. It's about Axios. I don't get why you rag on Axios so much. It's a central library used in every project. I don't care if Fetch has an OLED TV built in. I will still use Axios. Here are some reasons. One, or any literally any JSX to go fetch things surgery wait times or, fetching your data and and talking to your back end API, and and sometimes that be primitives of web request and web response so that you can use them the same across all of your projects

Mhmm.

Axios and all of the features. And I think if you are doing any significant project, you certainly want to reach for something that is a little bit more like Axios or build something.

Kai, k y, from Sundre Sohrhas,

other projects. Like, for example, figured out, and they know that they can simply just rendering,

why. I I took the position of there are many use cases for Axios.

a double JSON response is because

and that you can pass them into

your with the current landscape. How do you guys host your databases the

something like a custom header

HTTP dot request

as I need. I never need to pass the full URL like fetch, so I can set a base URL and stop thinking about the route just as intended.

That is a really nice feature of Axios Wes you can just sort of sort of set default. Right?

well, fetch is just the way you do it, and I worked around its limitations,

but super tiny, that's a bit weird. Why do they not have three KBG zip. So has no problem throwing that in your in your package. Or,

Number two, errors.

things Yeah. Absolute. Okay. Because So Remix is not dead, but

We we even did an entire episode on this. Like, why would you still use Axios? Because Mhmm. I certainly understand

you simply just need to pass it a a web request. And how that web request isn't made, it doesn't matter. Right? There's there's many different ways that you could

a fetch request,

the response is not always going to be on display ads, especially in the developer space Wes

file from a different source, What we've figured out we had all kinds of people being like, we will sell the ads for you on the podcast, and we'll take 25%.

And when we're dealing with

And he goes on to say the the away double away for for JSON response. Yeah. That that's certainly a thing. That first the reason why we'll say this real quick. The reason why fetch has making a ton of money,

There are some alternatives out there. Wes I o r. I don't know how you say that.

similar API. It's not a drop in replacement,

The current one? The iPhone XR is $4.14.

six different break points. Think about it as, like, money you could make on this was when you were to talk to them directly. Mhmm. People who want to

like, a handful of

Because it's it literally should work on every single device out there.

little bit more

No. I I don't know, honestly. I don't know what SE is $3.75.

yeah, sure. You can fire it up in the the latest iPhone, in different Sanity teams, different size organizations A big, big fan. They sound great. Everything is awesome. The noise cancellation's

if you receive a design that's ugly or has poor UX UI, do you give feedback to them or just let it be and implement it as they've designed it? This is a tough one and something that I've experienced personally.

a a thing to take into consideration as well. So maybe that is is a use case. One question I have for you is, like, what's what's a minimum breakpoint these days? You Node, how small should you go? It used to be three twenty. Are we still going down to three twenty? I'm not. Yeah.

Yeah. Does my website look good at $3.20? that would be so cool and smash the subscribe button.

major variance to just confirm that it works on those. But at the end of the day, there's so many phones and whatever. You should really have it be tested and the whole gamut. Yeah. I think the only time those might be useful is if you're working with aspect ratios. You Node, you wanna do something when you're at a specific width. Because a lot of times, if you put your phone into,

Yeah. I, you know, I I typically do pick a handful of breakpoints, but it is it is interesting now with CSS Grid, Flexbox, those types of things

It works. And I think that's that's, like, something to say about the approach you have to responsive design. You know? Don't think about your website in terms of

Good day, legends. When working with designers or agencies, the back end part in Next. Js as well. But I always prefer to have a separate back Deno. An express server like Node that has all the endpoints and logic. So I can point all my different front end applications to this one Vercel. A custom front end, an internal admin front end, maybe a mobile app, etcetera.

where you can have

is going to be. So I have never really been like, to your app that you're gonna you're gonna check out every single little point release to see what has changed, and there might be something else where it's like, React on on the client side. We have Aaron Francis coming on, talk about Laravel Fusion, which is kinda interesting where it's like you build a in this right now, it's just Vue. You build a Vue app, but you could put PHP tags in the Vue app, and that that will run a lot of that that server side.

one of your break points. I'll I'll I will tell you one thing on my personal website is

four years ago. Let's see the syntax one that says three twenty.

Next question from Komondor.

fluid.

You know, I I worked at a job that I loved.

pixels, it starts looking funny. I'll change that. And I kinda wish that I picked,

That's a great question.

in things like your your grid columns. Like, I don't have to define my grid columns at every breakpoint. I can give it an ideal. I can give it, like, a, you know Like a min max maximum amount of columns. Auto fit. Yeah. Correct. The auto fit kind of stuff where I find myself yes. I do use absolutely use breakpoints, I got handed a, Yeah. Right. Totally. Yeah.

I threw break points in

what does our website? What does our websites look like at these various sizes? Yeah. It looks good. I I think I've I put it there, but I I also wrote that CSS

And then and then at

you can see a lot at once. But in the reality Mhmm. Today, there is no standard device sizes. There just straight up isn't.

I wonder if this is Komondor is a a big old version of my dog, the Hungarian Puli. So Komondor.

There's every single device size under the sun, so you kinda gotta support it all. And,

landscape mode, or Postgres or whatever,

Just the other day, I was running into some really obnoxious error, and it was because I copied the,

in the once things start to get tight, you know, you kinda cling to one of your

literally a Linux server that you have a database

database query, you know, a weird insert or a weird query on something that doesn't have an index.

PlanetScale.

zero sites right now are mostly using Neon, was just really incredible. I ended up having a friend, show eight six eight, Scott commented on how HTMLX is great until you decide you need some client side functionality.

part of that could be that you have written a a poor you just simply want access to

Yeah. I do, because that's it. And then I'll I'll have it at a regular interval.

So if you use a system like SST, which plays very nice with Xero. So, Pontus, if if you're doing something with Xero,

So what do you what do you think is the best approach when you're you're doing local first, Scott?

just how many, Yes. Thank you for the softball. But if if this is not a bait question,

data loss. So Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I I do host things on Neon. PlanetScale

which is is another thing because, like, if your web app is being slow, balance there, the specific features, meaning that it's a having another company try to go out and sell it. It's it's all about the relationships

HabitPath database to AWS right now. And

standards, that seems pretty small.

systems, I'm sure there's other services that we didn't mention. The ones I've used, Neon,

especially on, like, a a VPS through a managed thing. I'd just be so worried about losing data. Scott, typically, with, like, without issue. Totally.

for me. If I'm paying for a database hosting service, wherever I wanted.

Services like that Wes, like, they'll give you a proper MySQL Postgres database, SQLite database, interceptors.

but they will host it for you. They'll scale it for you. They'll allow you to branch it. They'll allow you to fall back and roll back and all that. And then in on the very end of the spectrum, you get something

I I've kind of gone in this direction where, like, my experience the designers knew about it right away. And, like, they were really early on things like responsive design and even icon fonts and SVGs or new types of CSS. They were, like, early on it. And then I took a new job because the pay raise was massive. It was a big old pay bump for me, and it was a larger agency.

I know. I know. It's like Wes I I had my MongoDB Vite freelancing or running your own business, so that way you're not coming at this with, which are the

now moving things to AWS myself. But, yeah, that's pretty much it. You know, one thing I really liked using a platform as a service for is

yeah. Typically,

MySQL,

for the level upside, I was just like, what's the most frequent interval I can have this backup for? Because I'm so paranoid about,

this is a sponsored ad. We I was gonna say You are going to want to check out Sentry because Sentry has slow database query,

set up for,

Postgres,

but Neon has some quirks. It does connection pooling, which can

is good, but there's also, again, some some quirks there, but it's a it's a great platform. These are these are kind of, like, things that are gonna be hosted for you. And, basically, you click go, and they give you a connection string. And that's great. That's it. If you are doing zero sync, it needs to be Postgres, and PlanetScale is just MySQL. So, Neon would be the the choice for that if you're choosing between the two. There's also some other options. You can honestly, you can host your own with Coolify if you want, but I'm not that I'm not that adventurous. I'm gonna say that. I'm not gonna I'm not into hosting my own database infrastructure,

like a, like, a supabase or a firebase or or whatever Wes it's you get so many features, but it's like you're building on top of that platform.

that's the type of thing I don't wanna do because AWS has I was I was actually trying to show Courtney

and they will let you know when things are starting to get slow. It's nice. We can go into the syntax dashboard.

Yeah. But yeah. That's it. Well, that's a must have. That's with, like, rasterized icons that like, the icons weren't even rasterized well. They had, like, you know, missing pixel data here and there.

be quirky.

database platform, but Neon is great. There is a good, free tier that really is pretty great. Neon has some deficiencies, though. There's no, like, automated backup system with Neon for some reason. I don't know. Oh, really? Haven't had it. It's it's weird. They're like, we have branching. I'm like, well, what about, like, the just let me have, like, a backup every day kinda thing. No. We got branching. Alright. But so what how do you how do you back up your your database then? You run a, like, a script

database hosts. So if you just do, like, hosted Postgres,

something like that. We're thinking about, like, Neon or,

services are under AWS, and I was just, like, scrolling through that list. I was like, you wanna you wanna see why I'm stressed out about this AWS stuff? Let me just show you all these dang services I'm looking at right now. And she was like, holy cow.

pooling connection string instead of the non pooling connection string. Okay. Just just by chance, I just didn't see that checkbox. And because of that, you know, I was like, say, you caused me some pain. So, you know, there there's some definite quirks with the fact that it is kind of like a distributed again, it works best when

Everything in one fell swoop. You can haul I'll have it as infrastructure as code. But there's there are options for hosted, But I'm doing it via SST, which is really dead simple.

to to dump it or what?

the one of the reasons I'm doing that is because I'm scared I'm going to lose At 342 Jonathan Bell, next question JS, what is the best way to leverage

for external consumption? I'm working on a project right now at work where we'd like to use the output of some of the functions contained in the third party package, Yeah. I think Alpine is really cool. We had Caleb on the podcast to talk about it, and or something that is good at doing server rendering. And

you can't just study and get there. Typically, you're gonna have to start more junior than that, which is it's tough to hear because you're already such an accomplished professional. Right? Yeah. Not to say that you can't.

Even just like the there's, like, a letters off by one if you were to write all of your text and then just shift the letters in the alphabet by one.

at the same time, there's a lot of people with

I I it was there was, like, a whole world of of different and you want to automatically and you you're up and running. And then sorta in in the middle, you have these, like, services platform as a service that will offer you 20? Are we still doing $3.20? That seems

encoding

any of these things, then it's it's you might as well just not maybe not. Might as well just insert in plain text. But the reason people do it in hashing is because it's irreversible, and you cannot

of stuff they wanna build, so be careful there. But they're

you need to listen up. Okay. So the word encoding should be the clue here that this is not a good idea.

And then you can also like, when it does come time to actually getting a job, I don't think I ever look at the, like, drop down and be like, oh, that's not working on the Asus ZenBook Fold So it wasn't as fun as I would thought, but

And, if you have this secret key, can you figure out what I wrote on it? And I was like, girl,

I I just I know that people hiring and especially with hiring being tough right now, I think people are gonna want someone who's had that organizational

so it's better performance obvious win. Alright. Broccoli boy Hold on. Before you even answer this, these guys, besides just being, effortlessly.

you know, the password written on a piece of paper into fine dust that you could never reassemble. So hashing is one way. Encoding is two ways.

a is equal to four and b is equal to whatever.

And I was like, you're you're kind of in yeah. You're encrypting things right Node, and unless you have the key, I was trying to explain to her. I'm like, this is what computers do, where if you wanna keep something private, you you encrypt it, and then you can only get access to it the other way when you you decrypt it if you have access to the key.

approaches for just, like, simple letters that you can you can decrypt them.

but those functions are not exported via the index.tsorpackage.json.

on the job, like, real training. That's the tough part because there is so much of this that but I find myself using them way less than I did five years ago for sure.

Vercel.

unhash something. So Yeah. That's why broccoli boy sixty Node.

implies that it can be decoding. You can encode and decode something. If you can decode a password, there is no point.

And she's like, I'm writing these letters where I see that quite a bit where, like, you're trying to have a conversation about a specific feature and someone just

TikTok question, and I made the username broccoli boy sixty nine. Okay. Well, that's very funny. So whoever is is baiting you, I hope this is a bait question. For the softball.

de encrypt

encryption, a matter of switching, I'm a big fan of Someone's mad that we're we're hating on Axios, so we're we're gonna fire back at that. And finally, media queries. Should you be using the Chrome DevTools,

I learned a ton installed on, and you can fire it up. Right? You install MySQL And my wife does does quite a bit of filming as Wes, just around doing, forward slash at Syntax FM

you know, being passed down or something like that. You just don't get from from online stuff. I think for you to spend a few years of downtime in the best possible way, Hashing passwords is a waste of time when you can just a base 64 encode them. Do you agree? oh, man, like some kind of RPC system like MiniMongo I'm one of the reasons why it could be saying that, like, I rag on it is because I never used it. So you can't, like, build a habit for something or, like, really see the benefits or something that you never used. And my my, like

where

Surely Mhmm. You have experienced things in your time working professionally that, like,

Yeah. I I think that's such a good point. You could always, like and and like you said,

de encode I know, like, many other people have the chops there to manage their own databases like that. I'm usually gonna run to a service. What I'm doing right now, Wes, is I'm moving my,

she was like, I'm being a spy.

building an actual real application and, And then, unfortunately, people just plugged them in chat g p t and and decoded them immediately.

before locking someone down in a more senior role.

LED manufacturing.

is one way. It is irreversible.

working in you might wanna intercept that and make sure the token is valid or you wanna make sure that they're logged in. If not, you wanna redirect them. Lots of really good use cases for it. However, they would let you know when there are slow queries,

build with what you know. You you have this aviation background.

business that you said, I built this thing. I understand.

if we could fix it.

really good ideas, especially with all the AI stuff going on right now. You Node, there's there's somebody

There's literally no difference. And I read that base 64 encoding is 100 times faster than hashing, He's Tarzan. He's in he's the mummy. Well, he wasn't the mummy. Tarzan. Never seen the mummy.

it's sadly not the case where, in my mind,

taking on a a part time job.

plumbing in the butt. You know? Axios, by default, uses library where, yeah, I can I can write this thing server side, like prerendering,

in someone in a senior role, is taught through, Yeah. It's different if you're working on a big team, big project. You're gonna be doing one of these things at a time. You're gonna be making sure you know exactly what's included in everything and and all that stuff. So yeah. Wes guess it also depends on, like, how important that dependency is. You know? Like, there's there might be something that is so core

Alright. Next one here from broccoli boy sixty nine.

rather than just Also common in the space is inertia JS. You know, you serve a render, and then you can pick it up with

you know what? When I first read this in the the show notes, I didn't read it as a bait question. And now that I'm reading it out loud and I think it might be due in part to the the the username broccoli boy sixty nine. That's the username I used on one of our last YouTube videos JS Wes interesting? Where I made a fake I made a fake,

you have this amazing I ended up downloading the entire package into our project and imported it directly via file path. However, this feels wrong. How have you solved this in the path? Yes.

And

That doesn't make it secure. If if you could decode it and you you let's say you encode Bos Sanity four Node a password, you save it to your database, somebody else could just decode that thing, there's the password. It's the same thing as storing the password in plain text.

So, you know, what what can you do? I think the end of the day, you need to get as much real world as experience as possible.

Hashing even if this isn't bait, if it is bait, whatever, if you're out there and you wanna know how to securely store your passwords, it always needs to be one way

explanation of the difference between

and encrypting can both be with this guy sitting next to me, and he stopped me halfway through. And he was like, is your name Scott? And I was like, yes. Are you Scott Zelinski from Syntax? I was like, yes.

like, what what did you call it, encrypting? Or, so really cool. It's it's we got a light on it. We got a microphone shotgun microphone on it, a little small rig clamp to hold the battery,

I'm a this is my first time as a dev job trying to get something a little bit higher, that you have some actual,

You cannot unhash something.

to try to build something for a couple years, it's gonna be amazing experience.

There's somebody in that who's like, man, we have this problem We Scott a whole bunch of really fun videos, the podcast JS well as,

It's the equivalent of, a change log somewhat differently or not everybody, but a lot of people do.

oh Node, splitting up the,

Maybe that means, like, if you can put some hours into

specifically because

Yeah. Totally. I remember back in the day, like,

I can afford staying unemployed while studying full time for a few years. With these conditions, is it reasonable to work towards and expect landing a senior level tech job

my, like, content into the Next. Js way, and then I just kept hitting all kinds of issues all the way down. So

of for the reasons that I I had just said. Bos sell ads is pretty heavily in the but I would love your opinions on this. Yeah. This is

you need to get some serious traffic to make any kind of money

straight away? experience that they would want

It's it's a really good good approach. I think I'm gonna go with it, but I think it's a bit early for me to say that.

boxes of gummies, and and it will make sense to them. With developer stuff, it's a lot different because common encryption decryption ways. When we did the the t shirt giveaway for Syntax, Do you happen to know why those presets are always so out of date? In general, do you find these mobile viewports modes to be useful? what what has changed because it's what why am I blanking on what we use for syntax? TanStack router, you add a lot of complexity, and sometimes it's ease sometimes just easier to copy paste it, put it in your project. Yeah. Totally. Alright. Next question from major release. How do you keep track of package library browser updates, new features, breaking changes?

without

In two years or so, I may lose my job to a medical condition, so I'm ramping up my efforts at becoming a professional software developer.

Scott and I were familiar with their product. Like, we'd often go on calls with them you need to start build an app. Build something and podcast I have this great idea. And if you can sort of pair up with somebody like that a functionality that's encapsulated

I think

Yeah. Waku. Yeah. But yeah. Okay. Well, come on. I think Waku. Okay. So Waku is

best and then either return something on the server, some some templating, or they wanna do it totally on the client.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Alright. Next question here. Thank you, Paige, by the way. A nerdy pilot. Hello, Wes and Scott. Longtime listener. Big fan here. I'm an airline pilot in my mid thirties. I've been dabbling with code for many years, but nothing professional yet.

you had different episode sponsors. Did you ever work with a ad platform group like this or work directly with all of your sponsors? And what do you think via server components, then you're not you don't have to fuss with, like, auth or rate limiting or API keys or or anything like like that because And if you do need client side functionality, similar package that has the whole idea

This one is more advertising wanting to build your back end totally separate,

I doubt my aviation credentials, a degree in license would hold any value in the tech sector. Thankfully,

and Deno based React Vercel component framework.

that it's difficult to just get

And I moved over And and you could that that's huge for for somebody hiring.

you're not gonna be

back in the blog days.

underwear thing, but that would be that would be really cool.

essentially Next. Js

getting buy sell ads to approve my blog was, like, such a goal of mine. It was like I mean, this would have been, like, 02/2011.

an interesting approach. So when we were selling ads for this podcast, like, known I patch package.

Hey, Wes and Scott.

a warm body,

the Next. Js features, No. No. Haven't seen movies.

was was worth the money for them because then maybe we we'll talk about it, and it will pop up.

What path would you recommend to best prepare for the inevitable? Thanks for running an awesome podcast and peace. You know what? I'm I'm skeptical that you would be able to land any sort of, senior level tech job ability to have a discussion with the the designer themselves.

type of thing where they will try to place the best ad on there. They are a they're a very good company, and if there is somebody I would work with, I would I would say buy sell ads. But I think at the end of the day, and they will convert a specific amount. Some of these, like, big podcasts that you hear, Minor, I'll sometimes check out the documentation if it's something that is in active development,

And, unfortunately, that I don't think that works very well in the developer space because or or breaking change could possibly happen in this. I'm not too worried about it. Yeah. Cleaned up typescript types or behind the scene heat headlights. Yeah. Yeah. Phil Deshant says, do you use the mobile device preset in Chrome Firefox developer tools?

I was just like, if I could just get buy, sell ads to,

how processes work

I'm pretty happy it was Wacko right now.

online,

There's tag deduping.

put in 20,000

Athletic Greens and and whatnot, they have that whole journey

Paige Niedringhaus.

it was first of all, it was Scott and I talking about it, so that was some some goodwill to it.

I think the stat is, like like, 60% It all plugs into the phone.

but I was I was pretty happy with it as well. So that's I'll probably throw that one in there. It has a, like, app router kind of idea, but you can also use dynamic router. There's nested layouts.

Yarn. And out the other end, they can sell 400

and there would be a whole bunch of little ads in there. Node they have sort of the whole Google Ads upstream to let me tell you about, this is server, this is ESLint, which is why I'm I'm a big fan of of React Vercel component approach you you can find a lot of, like, bugs where people are just assuming that the width of the thing and you have unlimited height, but the the constrained height is often

there's a lot of on the job learning that happens properly. Let me get that working. Yeah. I'm the same way. I I never look at the presets.

Nice. Yeah. That sounds neat. Can't wait to hear about it. Next one from

It's been a while, but I'm back with the next question for you. Paige always has some of the best questions.

everything in probably, like, three or four hours, hosting focused. I've been running a front end news Mark is a very smart guy.

Wario? Yeah.

of working with something like this? I feel a bit skeptical, developer space. You probably remember them So

Yeah. I'd freaking love Vite and

say they would like to work with me, then I'm gonna be in in it. You know? So I I haven't worked with them or or done anything with them, especially lately. I did eventually get accepted to buy, sell ads, but I always had a good opinion of the the company. But, again, I have not worked with them. But I I think you you nailed this question, so I don't really have too much to add here. Yeah. I I had it on my blog many, many years ago, but or,

focused podcast with two of my friends for the past year and a half. Ours is called Front End Fire.

because I was riding with him, luckily, when that happened, Ear. Oh.

when you catch your edge like that in snowboarding, it really just throws you. It can throw you hard. Right? And and Yeah. I wasn't prepared to catch my edge. So when I caught my edge and I was on a steep thing, what it did is it threw me back. But since the incline was I'm I'm not kidding. It was it was steep. What it did is it caused my body to fall kinda like like a whip. You know, you whip a towel. Yeah. And that whip just ended with my head slamming in the back, like, the back of my head into the ground, which was pretty hard. And, my helmet flew off, and and then I was just like I I didn't get knocked out, but I was just on another planet for a bit.

yeah, it Wes, you know, I've had concussions before. So the moment that I hit, I was just like, oh, this is bad. I'm in I'm in trouble here.

Hey. I'm doing alright. Back in action here. Feeling feeling pretty normal. I don't know, if you revealed to the audience what happened about my Yes. My accident. But

be like, earlier on in the day, and a I was talking sometimes you just get into conversations with people on the chairlift.

And it was,

And I was talking,

it was a a massive bummer. So if if you Node that, like, I'm not

you know, get myself back to normal. But I actually wanna tell a story about this. This is, like, pretty new. I was on the chairlift PSD

give me a place to stay out there and stuff. So Oh, man. Shout out to Brian. Yeah. Brian,

Welcome. My name is Wes. I'm a developer from Canada. With me JS always is Scott. How are you doing today, Scott?

Wes we'll get ready to put the little buffers

let me let me, like, ride down with you. Like so I just, like, rode very slowly, and he followed me. So he made sure I got to the bottom,

And, I I just needed to, like, take a moment to, like,

His name is Brian, Brian Dunn.

drive me and the kids back because my kids were in a lesson, so I couldn't even drive. I was I was that out of it. So I had to have a a friend drive us back and had the ER and stuff. It was

Alright. Well, let's get on into it. We got lots of really good potluck questions.

a % with it, I'd like this is my first episode back from some getting a little bit, but I'll, Oh, yeah. I'll fill in.

yeah, I just I was just riding and, without a big old platform that is doing all the stuff that you're not gonna need or use anyways, of interceptors and defaults and and base names. Nice. Yeah. Totally. Alright. Next question is from Mark Volkman. Shout out to Mark. In you need to parse and distribute that data into your application. And that's where something like React or or Svelte or Vue, in my mind, just makes way more sense for this type of thing. So HTMLX doesn't make sense for applications with a lot of local data, which is a lot of what I'm working on right now. It doesn't also make sense if your,

the circle over top of your face when you're When I'm just like, Kinda interesting world.

the the back edge caught my board on a steep edge, like, super steep edge. And so because of the fact that it was so steep,

yeah.

and he he took some video of me hitting some jumps and stuff. Just a a a cool Node. We just chatted the whole time. But,

What a cool guy. He he I I ended up riding with him for three or four runs,

like, phone sizes in there? And, also, how small should a media query go? All of that and more.

and then he would, you know, texted me and was like, hey. If if you can't get back to Denver, which I honestly couldn't, that he would,

woof, you know, landed in a way where I did it without telling anybody. And I just did the,

yeah. Yeah. I'm all good, man. I'm, you bumped your noggin. Well, tell us what happened. You you were carving up a mean sash? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I I've been I've been snowboarding a long time, like, since I was in the sixth grade maybe, so I'm super experienced. And,

he was right there and was like,

Sometimes in the quest to make everything

I will use PMPM's They're not selling Interceptors is another really good Node. If you want to You used to have a sidebar with a grid of eight little squares on it, Yeah. Every other week, I'm not that fussy. A free tier would be a big bonus.

they would

Yeah. I just recently did that in my, Xero Svelte package. There were some utilities that were in the Xero Node repo,

reusable, inside of a third party package that is not necessarily intended

one of the piece the utilities that live inside of a library show warning. Using Pros just because because of all of that or, like,

It seems like I'm always randomly stumbling upon them, but I'm definitely missing a lot of stuff. Is there some type of system to keep me aware of new updates and changes and also

there's no problem just simply bringing it inside of your,

inside of your repo. Download the whole thing. Stick it in a folder. Copy paste driven development is sometimes the best and simplest approach.

anything. So I'll just yellow update those or whatever. I'll find a blog post if there's new stuff I wanna be aware of.

I'm I'm reading their blogs. I'm watching their things. They're like, here's what's new. Right? And that's what I gain what's new. But I also know that minor releases for Svelte are almost never going to I mean, like, literally, almost never going to break the very first one, My name is Scott.

either I stopped due to medical things, and I built I built this thing for three years.

So what I would do in this use case is associated with that one. So that's kinda how I go about it, and I don't spend too much more time past that That's actually a good

if if it's a project that I deeply care about, like Svelte, I'm like

I've done this many times where not my job and, like, you could just attach everything to this.

As far as, like, other libraries, like, something that's in active development right now, like Deno, anytime they publish a change, I'm literally going to their website. I'm clicking on change log, and I'm reading the change log. And I'll do that for a lot of libraries, especially if it if it's a major version, especially, you know, rub you the wrong way or are just like a jagged edge that you get caught on. You know? And so maybe find how to smooth those edges with an app you could write. And who knows? I think the the fastest track at that that point to getting, a senior dev role or moving into a place of that would be to build something that somebody else wants Yeah. Have it get acquired. But that's, you know, obviously very difficult.

new features, that's maybe a little bit different.

just patch the package and make it an export so I can then import it. And then when I make that patch, I also will send a pull request Vite and Deno. They just got rid of all so many, like, Webpack issues I was hitting. And it's because I was doing things not the Next. Js blessed way Yeah. Because I was coming from Gatsby. I was trying to, like, shoehorn That's fair. With fetch, is it an error or is it not? You gotta make sure, and and don't forget to throw. Number three, custom instances. I can create as many custom instances

I'm reading the change log because there's almost always a if it is a major version, a breaking changes section, you have to be aware of that kind of thing. TypeScript obviously helps a lot here, Yeah.

Browser stuff, people like Jen Simmons who post about what's new in Safari, when Safari gets an update, those types of things. So it is a little bit about, like, curating that feed. It is tough to stay on top of all of this stuff, but especially

And it makes consuming change logs difficult.

So

like, one system for making sure I I'm up to date on everything.

because with TypeScript, if things change in your code, your TypeScript is going to fail. That can save you right there and at least can identify new things or where things have changed if maybe you didn't look at that change log. But I haven't personally found,

if everybody was just using conventional commits So the UI and all UIs

you you theoretically, there could be, like, an one interface to make sure you're getting all the updates, all the change logs for everything. But everybody publishes

the the other package that has done and say, hey. Love the library. I would love to be able to access this directly. And almost always to say, oh, yeah. Absolutely. And then merge it and publish a new one. If it's just, like,

for me,

Mhmm. And you often have to go spelunking in your node modules folder to to sort of find out what it's using.

and I just wanted those utilities. I just grabbed that folder, dragged it into mine, and said, oh, you're mine now because they didn't export them. Right? So you can you can just straight up do that. So Mhmm. Yeah. No. Nothing wrong with that. Yep. Especially if it's like a a monorepo as well. You can stick that thing in its its own package,

and using SemVer,

put that functionality in a separate utility package that you could Npm install

So simply x, y, and z device?

Ideally,

necessarily

So those are the two options that I like the most in the React ecosystem.

API that you can scale on its own and,

the UI app that is Next. Js, could still use those API routes that are hosted in that same application. But if you want a separate

I think that is a a thing. Right? I think a lot of people work like this. And in that case, right, it doesn't necessarily make sense to Does

So in reality, I think Vite and React on its own JS a pair can also do server side rendering in a much more minimal setup, and then you can use

those that I just talked about are are probably a good approach. I did on Friday.

they have pushed all of the features back into React router seven. And that's because if you wanna build, like, a full fledged application,

server components at the time and and still is. And then I've been trying to host it on, like, Cloudflare, which is its own set of challenges.

you really have to start with the router.

And there's a really good adapter that that Cloudflare is working on. It's called OpenNext. JS,

and that could be an option as well. What is the best option? Well, I mean, the best option is whatever you're you get comfortable and proficient, but a lot of that stuff should work. You can you can build apps like this,

I don't honestly even know the status of Remix these days, but I would have said that Wes a good option as well. And in reality,

At least server side rendering and those types of things. You could also use something like Astro, which is a great solution for that. In fact, if I was working in React, I would probably pick the TanStack React router, get server side rendering,

out of frustration, I was like, I'm gonna try use Waku or Waku. Here yours Japanese. How do you say that? W a k u. You're not Japanese, but you Node, Waku. Okay.

deploy on its own and stuff like that, then, you know, possibly, you'd be looking at, right, hosting your own API. And in that case, sure, you could use Next. Js as the front end and get all that stuff. Right? things in the work. So, yeah, this is tough because it's different for everything, especially when you're talking about packages and libraries. Right? Because JSX like things, or even probably JSX as a server side templating language for something like HTMLX. But at that point, I'm just like, give me the whole thing in one platform. Right? Yeah. Give me the just the self that that is the server side and the client side, whatever I need. I know you're working with that are tightly coupled in a way that the server is going to be returning HTML.

or I'd pick Astro.

Is Next. Js then still the best option, or is this overkill? Remix sounded good, but based on your recent episodes, it seems that Remix is dead, or are there other options you would recommend?

Yes. So, you know,

you just have, like, a trusted system, which is your Next. Js application they they were not paying for, like, oh, I'm gonna sponsor the podcast, and I'm gonna make a whole bunch of money. In most cases, that was not the the case. In most cases, people that were sponsoring were losing money, but they were doing it because

but it just, like, kept hitting all kinds of it it's not there yet, and that's not any shade on the adapter. It's just, like, it's just early, and it says that.

and React

TanStack start is essentially probably 87%

and I moved it over. I used Next. Js because that was, like, one of the only ones that supported

React router is a router.

Next app or Yeah. My,

Waku. So, like Waku. You Node you know, Waluigi, So to get that

implement everything in Next. Js. You could have your whole

or reach for meaning that they took all of the features and they moved them into React Router seven.

I probably would not say to use Next. CSS, certainly, because Next. Js works the best when you are doing everything the Next. Js way.

has the cable Could you say that again? I said Vite and React. I didn't say Siri. What are you talking about? two way, but hashing is one way specifically.

Your back end code could simply just be and TanStack query together.

is beneficial because you don't have to if you're doing everything server side or most things server side and you're doing it all preset in or And recently, we had email from a company called Bos Sell Ads asking if we'd be interested in advertising something to build. So whether that's you have a problem in the aviation world right now or or whether it's you even find somebody who's looking for a technical cofounder, And, don't use them that often. The only time I use them is when

there's still value in choosing a a framework.

I've been trying to I've been moving my, and not the actual end result.

React Router seven. So Remix is officially you know, like, they if they start pushing back on you,

dead,

compared. Axios.

for a website where you don't want the back end stuff, or should you be reaching for something like TanStack or,

Should you be using Next. Js and and get a little Deno, and and and us understanding their product somewhat deeply Wes, well, shout shout out to Mark's book. I didn't realize he had written this, but it's called, Vercel Driven Web Apps with HTMX, a couple silly little little apps, and you have your GitHub is full of a to do app. And then you can like, you're gonna learn a ton about that if you you can find wait

React Router seven? Accessing third party functions inside of a node module that doesn't export them, how do you do that? Database hosting

monster There are lots of different reasons for that. Not to say that you can't use Axios for that.

That's it for today. Thanks for tuning in. Peace.

Yeah. So I ended up getting you don't even have to get that deep with it.

Shameless plug. Let's plug the Syntax YouTube channel. Go to youtube.com everything.

Send them a screenshot of an existing website that that does it in in that specific way. I think that that will be highly valued.

Yeah. These things are awesome.

if you're walking, then it would disconnect and

you know, my helmet flew off and whatever,

you know, 02/2009 especially because everybody runs things a little bit differently.

you know, I didn't wanna have to replace them with

was riding with my AirPods in, Wes, and

my AirPods, I would only get, like, the podcast recordings done, and then I would have to charge them or whatever.

earbuds attach in in so much of what we're doing right now. That's great. Yeah. Doing something different.

rig cage? I don't know what you call it. But, basically, I have all this, like, encoding and decoding.

vectorized based icons, era web development. And this JS, like, the very first site design I get, and I'm at this new job. And I'm just thinking,

I can tell you more about it if you're interested. You know? And maybe that will help. Refrain from just saying, hey. You're doing this wrong JS really what it is. But, hopefully, you can actually have that and the client has signed off on the design, the client says, this is what I warp it to look like. It's now being passed to you. You Node? Sometimes it just makes sense to knock that thing out and move to the next one. Right? Collect the paycheck. Other times, if this is a longer term arrangement, maybe it's a designer you're gonna be working with again in the future potentially or a longer term project, I think it's absolutely best to try to have those conversations,

I have a a sick pick. So this is actually kinda funny. I need to be accepting that same HTML.

And the the thing I like besides the fact that it's cool and yellow, they also make them in black and white too. It has, you know, gestures to pinch and stop. The only thing that it doesn't have is you can't do the swipe to do the volume down. You have to do some kind of pinch gesture to do volume down. I should never figure that out anyway.

And I was like, I gotta try something cheaper. So I you know? it works on every single PlanetScale.

and I improved a lot of stuff about his design. I basically made his design a lot better, Yeah. It depends. You Node, it depends on what you want and need. But for me personally, So maybe that means

I implemented

Ideally, you would you would care so much that you'll have a good back and forth. And, ideally, you don't just throw your hands up in exhaustion, is not worth it JS well as the fact that my Gatsby site. I moved it over to server components, That is a lot of your back end and front end.

the AirPod Pro would have some sort of weird feedback with their noise cancellation, and it would cause a speedy

and I submitted that. And I did not talk to the designer about it. I'm not I don't think this was the right idea. I don't think this was the right call. But,

whatever. You know? Alright. I'll do it. And that's how how products start to to suck. You know? So there's there's definitely a delicate

like, quarter inch screw.

Yeah. That no new feature

Totally. Alright. Let's move into the next section, which is sick picks and shameless plugs.

it's so nice that everything is based on the same, they have their own, we gave away the codes in so many different formats.

milled aluminum, my daughter came to me the other day, and

custom made videos for the YouTube channel, so check it on out.

Nothing

especially if it's easy things, be like, hey. I think we can implement this a little bit better.

and it's all pretty affordable. Big fan of it. So this thing is an Axios request and response is not a standardized

Bums me out. And the case doesn't have wireless charging, so you have to plug the case in. But the case

is how products start to suck.

These things, the battery lasts my entire workday

and grips and microphones,

not in a way that, hey. You're doing things wrong or whatever. But, like, sometimes designers and people who specialize in web design, they don't stay up on the tech. And so it might be easy for you to say, And she didn't seem to think that was very cool. But I was gonna say the moment the moment you say, that's how computers work, she's gonna be like, alright. Great. Great. Thanks, dad, so much. I I always try to do that with my son when he's, like, talking about Minecraft, and I was just like, let me tell you about this real life thing. And he's just like, alright. We can talk about Minecraft again. Oh, man. There there's a couple,

like, agenda that they need to push or whatever, then they they just go,

my my poor AirPods and they were, you know, AirPod Pros. I had them for a while. They were super nice. Oh, man. And I was pretty pretty bummed out about that. But, variability

I was having some crazy issue with my AirPod Pros where if I was laying down on a pillow or if I had my helmet on, I

had my concussion, Yeah. Interesting.

I don't use them. They're they're alright, but they're just not comfortable in my ear. So I I'm there's something just about the AirPods that I love so much.

and

It was just like something straight out of,

True. And Yes.

It all plugs in via USB c on, like or do you have, like, a USB hub on there or something? Like, what's the So it's good for that. What it's not good for necessarily

his design, They function very similar to the AirPod Pros.

and the the and the headphone, I, like, really feel like What's my watch talking to me about? the way that I've always done things, at least since I've been making a lot of Wes, is with fetch or fetch polyfills or anything like that Wes that's just the way I've done it for so long that it it feels, like, natural to me. And before that, I did most things with,

and move back to the not pros, whatever those are. I gotta say for for $79

battery lasts three times longer than the AirPod Pro does. Really? Man. I charge these things overnight or whatever. And, typically,

well, I don't know if it's funny. But when I, I check out just doing the whole thing in SST. I might publish some videos on that because I've been doing it. You can get your database from there. You can get your sync server up on there. You can get your UI hosted on there.

Yeah. Yeah. I yes. Likewise.

oh, by the way, is it okay if I implement this like this because of these reasons?

Or if not, you can buy little adapters. And I have all these little small rig clamps and whatnot.

So they're the Nothing Ear a. And

they were not very good. So

good, and, they look cool as hell. So, yeah, big fan. The nothing ear. I bought a pair of, like, So let's say you're working with a local first situation where that data lives on the device on ESLint, that data is stored as JSON, right, or it's just stored as data. And

I don't know if my phone camera's not gonna focus on it, besides just being cool JS hell to look at. They're currently on sale for $79,

where you can give them feedback back and forth. A lot of the best jobs I've ever had were like that Wes you had that direct feedback. If this is a freelance thing So,

I the way I saw it is if he cared so little about this design that he's not even gonna he's not gonna check, or he's gonna see the way that I implement it and be like, oh, that looks pretty good. I did a good job. In reality, what you should be doing is you should have a relationship with the designer, if possible, Because if you can

Yeah. We need to bring back that, like, neat design

but typically 89, 90 dollars. So they're pretty cheap, and they have noise cancellation.

crazy expensive AirPod Pros. They're, like, $200.

I was a senior developer at a small agency, like a 12 person agency. We're getting new projects. I had direct feedback with the client and the designers. We always worked very closely together so that if there was a new technique,

Dope. Yeah.

oh, I made a big mistake. I took I took the money over the job happiness here, and I'm working at a place where this is the type of comp that I get. And

I just I'm so excited to get off of lightning for for everything else.

These are the nothing ear a. I think they are the ear two. Two a? I I have whatever the link I have in the show notes is the the one that I got. But Nothing does a lot of really neat phones. I don't know if you've seen any of their phones. Oh, yeah. They do a lot of neat design in their products. So yeah.

these bad boys,

smartphone but I certainly would, And

but I did it Yeah. Yeah. You know, I And the very first design comp I get handed is one in Photoshop, and this was well past the days of people were well onto vector based design at this point. They were using Sketch. Figma wasn't in out yet, but Sketch Wes, like, the hot tool at this point.

Bro.

And, like, for us, we had we had something that never had an index on it. And, like, just over time, as the site got bigger and bigger and bigger, the query started to get slower and slower. And it one day, we got an email being like, hey.

Yeah. And you can like, by all means, you don't have to do one of these fancy services. There's a lot of hosts and hosting platforms that will just have Postgres offered, even Heroku. Right? Super simple, that type of thing. And another thing that we didn't talk about is, like, your database being close to where your web app JS, because that is a potential And and for that part, I'm I'm typically using polypane if I want to Yeah. Have a bunch of different ones to see exactly how they look because it's Encoding

Do you by the way, Wes, you ever see the movie Encino Man? JSON in some situations instead of HTML. I mean, other instances, there JS HTML. But, yeah, I I I just take the thing where, like you said, one templating language for the whole stack, and let me differentiate what's client and server. The tan stack approach to that, sometimes JSON, sometimes HTML,

This thing is is slow. Like, not like, we got an email from Sentry. Like, it alerted us. Like, oh, man. I should look into that. And I I went in and I added index, and you immediately see the query just drop off inside of your Sentry. So if you're running Sentry on your app like you should, maybe maybe you don't need a platform as a service because that's that's one of the big things I was using it for. Check it out. Sentry.i0/syntax.

That's just the way I them. Brendan Fraser.

Totally. Yeah. Next one here from your number one fan from Estonia. Nice.

Question about front end frameworks. With frameworks like Next. Js, it seems like it's expected or at least strongly encouraged to implement

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and your database lives somebody somewhere else, there could be latency introduced there.

for slowing down your app. If your your code is running in one spot and But I feel like every time I I hit a project that has Axios in it, a little more breakpoints like we did on the the Syntax website.

So all I need for my customer facing front end framework is just the components, but I don't need API routes there. All I need is a framework, is SEO support out of the Bos. And if it would be React, that would be a big plus.

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