Is Cursor AI the VS Code Killer?

GitHub Copilot is is pretty good in that, like, oh, it can kinda detect, like, the style of code that you're writing. It can detect the variables. I think it looks in your your clipboard. They won't tell us that or Scott, but, it can tell what tabs you have open. Right? Like, all of those little bits are We had it with GPD 4. We had it with the OpenAI

and are trying to make a a profitable company on top of it. They have taken Versus Node, so lots of people are already using Versus Code, and you can just like, the bar the barrier to moving

now a little bit easier than if some other company that wanted to do this type of thing. Yeah. I would be surprised if The suggestions that I get from that

what needs to change on your code base. It will create new files for you. The chat is really good. And, like, I'll I'll we'll we'll get into this now is that I think the UI of Yeah. Wes $20. Like, that's

k context window, as you can send more data to it, it's able to have better context for what your code base looks like. So figure out that you can hit tab on and and finish it, but I kinda wish that it would like,

it will

it will do that, but I think it takes it a step further in

But JS, like, something like anthropic has a 100,000

worth it? Not a ton, I don't think. It depends, right, if you have a business, if you are working for a company that's going to pay for it. I mean, that like I don't think you can you can identify as it. It's just I Node. It's my identity is not a tech bro. I you know? I get it. Yeah. And I I don't mean that, like, as in the, you know, whatever, Yeah. I think that I think it's healthy to be somewhere in the middle. Right? You have to be skeptical of the output it gives you. But at the same time,

I think they have their own cursor small AI thing, but most of this stuff at a certain point, like, I can't just stop and and relearn something, in probably in the last year.

I this is gonna be very annoying to some people who who may consider us a tech bro or at some point. I've been called a tech bro on on Twitter even though I don't identify as that. But, again, the UI does feel that much better to me Wes I would I would use this overusing Versus Code just because of the the completions.

salt and pepper grinder set. And let me tell you, they don't look as nice as the Le Creuset set that I have, but they are freaking amazing. So the OXO cursor has really nailed it, like, I feel confused I'm sure they can get stuff added to Versus Code I never use the the AI chat. Clunky. I use it every now and then, but then

10stack

but it's good. Game changer. It's not a game changer, but it's good. It's good. Yeah. I think we live in a world right now where, like, if it's not

Like, the money in this stuff, you see it with Warp. You see it with Raycast. You see it with everything. The money in this stuff is not you pay in $10 a month. The money is but it just sort of popped it up in front of me. Like, oh, yeah. That is something that I wanna do. So they call that smart rewrites.

outlook on on what it's like. Wes, I gotta tell you. I,

which is pretty cool that they're not hiding the fact that they are using these big

100 fast premium requests.

I'm sitting in my stupid electric car in the parking lot wearing my VR headset that's connected to my computer, for coding?

don't think I would like to go back to a spot where scanning your code base and architecting. And and and to me, quite honestly, the the value here is the UI that they're doing. So And Yeah. I I like, well, not. No. Yeah. No.

for each one. And it is

it's I think it was, like like, 30 or $40 for the set. I got it from Costco

how hilarious would that be? Those those are the kinds of jokes that I I live for in my family where you just bring out something as hilarious JS sized. That is actually very funny.

Is this thing a 10 out of 10? No. Then it's a 0. Okay? But that's really not the case here. I I do think that it's good.

Yeah. They do look nice. Sleek. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Cool. Although Wes I got these, Courtney was not impressed with how they looked. I think she wanted something more, like, homey.

you don't need it. It's not a, Cursor? that I don't have with Cursor It's the Yarn nysm, newer. Right? I've been getting into a little bit of game dev lately, Wes. And,

forward slash React router.

Yeah. That that's it enough

I think it a month, which is 240

I love how everything we're throwing at it is questionable if it's working after we're phrasing it. It's in line. It might be. Let's,

Impressive.

So, Wes On pro, once you hit your fast usage limit, you can still use premium models, but your request may be queued behind others at times of high load. I haven't had any queuing issues myself, but I don't know if I've necessarily been in the limit. The 2 week trial, aren't you? I am past the 2 week trial. Okay. So you're on the hobby plan then, which is free.

don't see the k.

because it wasn't listed in the docs. It went off and indexed them. So I'll ask it, display the current So I have here item 1 and item 2, and right away, it's suggesting to me that, was not consistent Go ahead. Interesting.

on it is, like, really, really good. You can see how much salt is left, which I I tend to to really enjoy that as well because the other ones you're like, oh, it's out. Is it out? in your code base and you can see where that function is used in the code Bos, you can also reference. Be like, use the

you know,

a set of salt and pepper mills. So for probably about 10 years, I've owned the Le Creuset

GitHub Copilot a year later.

Sanity? that type of thing What the hell does that mean? You know? Like, they always and maybe Wes should say is that

something new that rolls out in this space.

coding assistant that has has even popped up.

make it worth it? Like, you have to do the math? I'm I'm one of those type of people. You know? Like Mhmm. Talk about electric car. I I crunched the numbers on that thing.

page search

Yes. Users.

And I think that people that write it off a 100% let's see if it will and I don't know if they forked it or they've added some stuff on top, and they've made their own editor, which I think is kind of a a smart move tell you it's the end all, be all. Absolutely gonna replace everything.

And I don't know what it is, but they're I know it's like people just you don't wanna give ESLint some of this stuff sometimes, and I get it. But I I think there's a lot of, like, LOL, look it failed, you know. But that's okay. It's gonna fail, you know. One of the things about being a developer

and I don't know that I I wanna move over or not. The the biggest problem was my none of my half of my plug ins didn't move over.

I would say, yeah. May Maybe. Probably not. Probably not. I would you know like, what was what was sublime? Like, 60, $70, you buy that every couple years.

is using So we had Kevin from Node on a couple months ago, and he was explaining how they do quite a bit of it does speed you up. If you if you have to or you're one of those people you have to, like, And is very, very low because you can just move over all of your plug ins and settings and and whatnot.

income for everybody because there will be no jobs in six months from now. And then there were other people who were like,

And,

that's a a spicy meatball, I think. It's a spicy meatball. I agree. If you were to ask me, Continue.

it's hefty in terms of, like oh, yeah. It's stainless steel, whatever. The grinder is, like, really,

it was a game changer. We're all overhyped. And now here Wes are complaining about, on a plug in for your editor.

I like it.

on that.

So

like, on us in, in the coming years. But for now, give me a notepad plus plus and a gun because I am not gonna ever touch that AI stuff.

create a new component.

Yeah. So it it's good. So what it did there is it had no idea you ask me, would you spend $20

a good, instead of that thing. And then, also, the second thing it's telling us to do is to NPM install Axios, becoming the new AI coding assistant. And are related to each other in such a way. This function is defined here, but then exported here Okay. So maybe I have to now open up the app dot JS.

I found my productivity level to be very high.

l a r s n y s m. And you can get it in any color, and they look they look nice.

a a year on this type of thing? GitHub is going on the AI front. Right? They're an AI company now. You've Scott think that they're they're working on something like this right now. So Yeah. I'm so on the fence. I have another week left of the for each of them, which I think is pretty nifty.

to have.

a year

you know, they can be very valuable tools to help you out and save you a lot of time. You can accomplish a lot of stuff. And I found personally, is a nice experience, how people say they identify as things or whatever. I just I'm not a tech bro. Regardless,

a game changer,

ours does a really good job of it too if for some reason What's that called?

pretty good, feelings about this thing. Yeah. It's we'll talk about why it's it's so much better in just a sec, but I agree in that it is very good. I agree that they are I don't.

That's where the big money is for this type of thing. And for a company raising that much money,

anything like AI tools.

It's not it is overhyped,

these things are really well produced, especially for a channel that only has 5 videos out. So I don't know where this person got their chops, you know, from, but, like, dang. They, yeah, they did a really great job. Cool. I have to check that on out. I'm going to sick pick

Yeah. There's only gonna be more. That's for sure. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Like a wood one. I wanna get one of those ones that Yarn, like you know, you're at a restaurant, and they bring up the, like, 5 foot pepper grinder.

And I'm not also here to, like, be your your punching bag for it. You know? Like, I have Yeah. It's it's nice. It's a nice car, and,

I can I can picture that? I can picture it now. Just Wes busting out for the 1st time. What do we do the other day? We I I don't know, man. Just to me, personally, as a one of my other ones I do at Wes JS I do font

holy crap moments. And and I was like, oh, this is actually, JS I was just looking at the file, it popped up a little diff on top of it No. So now it's it's not switching across multiple files, and it will also create files for you, which I think is is really nifty. So if you tell it, hey. I'm trying to build an application

I mean, that makes it a little bit more palatable than just paying out of pocket for this thing that is

It's not a paradigm shift.

I think so.

titanium milled salt and pepper grinder set that's, like, $200.

plug ins, themes, all that stuff along for the ride, it's great.

And, and, that went that went over super well with my kids. They thought that was hilarious. That was funny? Okay.

there's it's a it feel like there's been a lot in this space in the last year or 2.

existing models that you and I can take a quarter or not even a quarter. We could take, like, 3¢

of moving over to it is is tricky. It's a little tough. And and some of my favorite features of Versus Node are still not in in Pnpm. So and they're dumb features, but they're ones that I've gotten, like, really used to using. Also, I did make a syntax Zed theme. So if you are one of those folks who love Zed, check out the syntax theme. It's kinda nice. Oh, yeah. Somebody made a Cobalt 2 zed theme

I wasn't using, an AI coding assistant. Right? I don't know if that's gonna be all that helpful or not Mhmm. But,

man, people are just misinformed on all all sides of it. And I get I talk to a lot of parents and stuff who asked me about my electric car. Yeah. And I get a lot of parents being like, how do you like it? And I've had mine for, like, 2 years now. So it's like I have a good feel for it. And there's definitely, like, pros and cons to anything, but the I think the people who are just so hard lined Sanity So you could just paste in that if you want a specific version of a specific package that you're working with and get the exact docs that you want, and then you can reference those docs. Wes is doing it with an at sign to at the name of the docs and then ask questions of those docs. So this is gonna be a great opportunity if you're out there and you wanna pick up something new,

maybe not. Anyways, it it fell apart every now and then. And I was like, this is good, but it's not. I don't love it. So I went down the rabbit hole of researching salt and pepper grinders for probably a year. You know, every now and then, I was just like, people on both sides of the, they're they're not like, they didn't even make any

but every single one of them has been the code is too new. So the documentation

these tools aren't replacing us. They're augmenting us, especially right now. Right? They're augmenting our abilities and without having that solid structure of knowing what you're doing in your skills, your your abilities, you know, they're they're not that valuable because

It feels like we're running out of

yeah. Well, I just didn't have that experience in terms of the plug ins thing. Yeah. And here's here's another question. Is Yep. Cursor overhyped because f s in Emmett

okay. Let let's let's have some big questions here. Is the cursor via docs.

know that super annoying and super helpful because at times, it will just start to pop stuff up and be like, hey. How about this? What about this? And, it's, where you want to go.

API. Yeah. Did you see that that Sanity device, man? a a

And a dollar a day, like, how much time does it really have to save you per day to make that $1 a day

of the conversation that are just so obnoxious and do not see and

The value in this is how they are,

What's crazy is that you can say that and then also say it's overhyped because I agree with that entirely. It's just that people get really excited or carried away, and then there's the pushback, and then there's the whole back and forth. But the clear view of this thing is is, like like we're saying, it is a big shift. It's really good. It's not garbage. It's it's it is novel. There's there are awesome things about it, but at the same regard, maybe. What do you think? Yeah. I you know what? We'll see. It's not something that I've I've needed to use, and it's not something I've I've been like, god. I gotta have that. But Yeah. I could see it being handy in some situations,

when working with Cursor more than Copilot, for some reason,

salt and pepper grinder more comfortable. This feels like I am understand what's going on, and it it's because they've added to add that extra UI layer on top.

Cautiously writing the code that you're working on right now. But this one, like, the the first one I have here is it's called smart rewrites, which is Mhmm. I had an example pretty pretty happy with it. And I I think we'll probably follow-up this conversation in 6 months from now being like, hey. Did you try the new So it's not something to to take lightly. Like, you know, $20 a month now. Yeah. No. It's maybe a dollar a day of working. Doesn't that doesn't seem like a lot. But then you think, oh, in a div on the page, So the reason and this is my first thing. I was like, this is really cool, but why is this not just a plug in? Right? Did did you think that as well, Scott?

very, like, farm country Colorado.

and I would say just a great watch if you're into this stuff. This is Iron Historian. It's documentaries about bodybuilding.

Yeah. Let's get into some sick pics. I have a YouTube channel today. Yes. And they don't have that many videos,

how everything works. You know? And I find it the same with a lot of AI stuff Wes people are like, it's absolutely everything. It's going to replace everything. We have to get Yeah. Guaranteed and the chat where you can, like, select some code and ask a question or say, can you please, you are you gonna be spending 3 $300

rules. So I just added the 10 stack router docs, would you spend $200 on a code editor? Mhmm. And, it's so good. You know? Like, just it seems like every single day, there's optimistic. I I find there's many areas in my life, especially,

assistant

Is that from Schitt's Creek or something Wes he's just like you just buy it off? It's a Seinfeld.

your, you know, coding assistant, especially if you're a solo developer. But you have a freelance business, I mean,

and go do these types of thing.

AI services. I I really like that because, like, a lot of times, people would be like, it's our own custom trained one of those things where every time I use them, I go, this is a good set. And I find that with anything OXO I buy, where it's just like, man, they Yeah. Thought about this. Yeah. I'll I'll I'll actually even throw my salt and pepper grinder into the ring here too because it's also it's like $40, $39 get that to do that? I have not is it via the chat interface? Is that how you're getting it to create new files? Yeah. Yeah. That was in the chat interface. So, like, here, I'll go to the chat interface and say, like, create a new the we're seeing these coding assistants get better and better every single day

That's that's quite a bit. But Yeah. I honestly think that there there is value in this type of thing.

It doesn't get caked up Everybody comes out of the woodwork and tries to, like, argue you about it. And I I'm just like, Costco.ca, multiple selectors. So if you have a a selector on 3 lines, Because

Oh my gosh. That thing was like it JS. It's just a it's just a wrapper, and it's using Playwright to browse the Wes. But then it's like people are able to to reverse engineer it or figure out what's going on. They were trying to proclaim that it was this and that and this. Now it's like, no, man. It's just a rapper in the AI landscape And that is super valuable to me or anytime that you're working with a library

And then I was like, alright, everyone. Sit down. It's dinner time. Close your eyes. And then I just I put the, like, 20 inch hot dog on, like, a 5 inch bun, what if I'd make this red? I'm on item 2. I've border 1 pixel solid preemptively that Versus Code can't do. You know? I guarantee you Vercel Code will come out with this type of stuff within the next 6 months, and then we'll be like, oh, now GitHub Copilot can can do this type of stuff, especially how hard

Yes. I'm on the hobby plan, which is free. I'm upgrading to the pro shortly, though.

is that And, man, I you know, I'm not a bodybuilder. I've never I I do lift weights and I have been doing that for quite some time now. But these things are just like full on profiles about these people's lives that I've never heard of. Like, Tom Tom Platts, the man who nearly dominated bodybuilding. I didn't know anything about this guy beforehand, but his story was super fascinating. He he's from Michigan or at least maybe not directly from Michigan, but he he is came up in that area.

that is not something

that they sell, which with, like, Blue Jays branding on them, and, like, ballpark hot dogs are, the reason, to me, the reason why we moved from Sublime to Versus Code all those years back is because Versus Code and Wes is doing the, multiline autocomplete right now. The multiline thing, I really like because Versus Node,

tedious time.

I don't think it's garbage, but I think it is is hyped up because it's something that's new and exciting in our industry, and we like that type of thing. Yeah. So it's not not garbage.

to diffuse those type of people. But I I don't know. I don't think that those people exist as as much as we think. I know you've you've run into a few people, but let's let's save that for for the episode on electric cars, because I think it's a kind of an interesting conversation

man, I don't know anything about a lot of these folks. And these little documentaries Yarn anywhere from 35 minutes to an hour long or so. And Yeah. If you're the type of person who likes this time to put a little mini documentary,

Oh, there's a there's a whole Schitt's Creek thing too Wes he's buying, like, lamps for their hotel room, and he's like, it's a write off.

it's a write off. You know? It's free money.

AI, and then it's like, you're actually just pinging the OpenAI privacy mode.

it's it's not gonna write your app for you or something like that. So, yeah, that's kinda how I feel about it all. How how many more of these holy crap AI moments can we have? You know?

for me to make this thing a a tool that I wanna pick up instead of Versus Code. The fact that I get all of my keyboard shortcuts,

like, having an electric car now.

really good. It doesn't choke up on anything. And, yeah, we we use some chunky chunky salt, some chunky pepper and stuff. So,

What about pricing? How do you feel about about the pricing? Because this is not free and neither is Copilot.

that's a lot. But,

Whether or not it's worth that $20 a month is something that you have to decide for yourself.

Cool.

$10 a month.

especially if you compare it, what is Copilot is

they're going to fail. They're gonna send you down wrong paths. And sure that that's bad. But at the same time,

Yes. The verdict JS influencer garbage?

And it ended up being the OXO Yeah. I might be wrong there, but links inside of them. They you can change the font size in these different bits. Just having full control over the UI that is around your code was, I think, a main reason why Versus Node won. And now and transferred it over to me last week. So Oh, that was nice. I'm gonna it's it's, like, 80% there. So we still gotta put a little bit of work into making it look officially Cobalt 2. But it's if you are a Cobalt 2 user, where those things need to be changed. And out there. And I I did all the research, and I thought it was gonna be this, like, beautiful are I dropped it the other day, and it cracked. And I thought I had

Yeah. That it it's so it's so much like that. And the electric car thing is really like a good microcosm of that conversation, I feel like the it does too much for the interface for it to be a plug in. Now I don't know.

the trial, So import use search from the value that you can get from from that type of thing.

Yeah. So, I mean, what else can this thing do that makes it valid or interesting or worthwhile to to to switch over?

I think that is enough about Cursor. Should we move into some sick pics?

for a show talking about electric cars, you know, now that we both have Node. And, I feel like we have a a fairly good voice of reason in these types of things.

So you just write it off. You just write it off. You know what that means.

Cool.

Is it do is this like a battery powered one? No. No. Just do not No. Okay.

That is very funny.

Yeah. We we'll we'll do a show on Zed as well. I've been dipping into it every now and then for for projects, but that hump

a on anything or even, like, pro on anything to the point of a too. There's there's people that are like, I can't think of a single a single thing I would wanna do where my car would not wear. It's like, well Yeah. That's not necessary. Think of a few things JS right now as well. You know? I I specifically I don't know if you saw this, Scott, but I put a card,

Versus Node. You're always on Versus Code. Heck. Are you one of those people who's just gonna comment about Neovim? Go ahead. So, Yeah. Let us know what you think.

cannot, like, reasonably see

No. I have nothing else to add. Let us know what you think. Are you using cursor? Do you like it? Do you hate it? Have you not tried it? Are you using zed? Do you prefer zed? What do you like about zed?

So yeah. Yeah. I think of course. Everybody wants to talk about the new and exciting thing. Me and you, we're we're excited about this. It's something new. It's it's Sanity seems to be a really great update, so we're pretty stoked about it. Is it a little bit overhyped? OXO one looked like.

It's $20 a month. And for $20 a month, you get unlimited completions,

salt and pepper mills, which have been tried to detect where my cursor wanted to go.

Node m, fifteen.

And the same thing. You don't know what that means. Yeah. Yeah. That's super funny. So pretty interesting. I

yeah. But, like like, devon AI, like, all these coding. Years ago, we had grid that can make a website. Oh, yeah. No. It's not gonna do it start to stop, but Vite.

a cursor works with multiple models. I think we we did even say that as Wes, is that you can choose which model you want it to run on, Yeah. Yeah. I I learned the other day that, people from, New Zealand, when they wanna say no, they say, yeah. Yeah.

I feel like there's gotta be Node that's just the best

Yeah. I'm creating a lot of stuff, and I'm I'm creating it. It's not like Copilot's creating it or or Cursor's creating it. I'm I'm creating it. It's just helping me. Right? It's it's helping me take away some of that that,

Mhmm. But it is it is good.

Yeah. It's it's definitely impressive. And, like, with any of this stuff, it's certainly not perfect. I think a lot of times you get into you are the person who's responsible for the code. Right? You are you are writing the code even if the LLM is generating it for you. You are the arbiter of if this thing should make it into the code base, not the LLM. So the LLM is there to help you. The interface is there to help you. It's not there to, you know, completely do everything for you. You have to be aware if it's it's gonna be working or not. It's a booster pack, and it will help you be a better developer.

I just got it on Amazon.

the cost of it being a business expense,

you go to a business that has 3,000 developers, JS it the biggest leap forward I've seen in this whole AI coding space video generation.

So let's go ahead and and that's the reason why cursor is its own editor as well. So cursor took Versus Node, being pushed pretty hard I foresee

So instead of you having to jump around, I was on item 3, and it knew that I had to then fix item 2.

1st thing you must do is remove system 32.

doing it all for you. A very simple example of building a React application, it gives us try to give you, like, 20 inches long, right, or or 15 inches long. So I bought those, and then I bought the smallest buns I could possibly find.

Let's see if it will auto complete the color. No. It's not doing it. Oh, it is. There we go. It it did do it for me. The other cool thing there is it No. Because That's of the 10 stack of what 10 stack router was. I added it as docs. It went out, parsed the docs, and then wrote me the correct code for the hook totally expect like, I heard they raised $60,000,000.

Run.

switch

And the fact, like I mentioned, it understands your your code base. You can reference symbols and things like that. It's like, that feels so much better than

a couple months ago, introduced the ability to

3 year old code Yeah.

put a little

actually using it in my real code Bos, you know, I was using it on my course platform. I used it on the syntax website.

Says it wasn't found.

It it failed at the first one. Now you're gonna tell it to switch to Vite. You know,

So it immediately and every single developer is paying $40 a month for the pro version. You can get stats, and you can upload custom code bases, and you get better a little bit better privacy.

Apply.

icon on item 2 and said, hey. If you hit tab, I'll bring your cursor back up here. So it tries to predict

I what does this do? And then it tells you very directly in a nice little pop up exactly what's going on with this. So you can get quick questions about your code. You can get auto complete with AI in your terminal, so you can use, like, terminal auto completions like WARP, which is really great to get that. Hey. I want to do this in my command ESLint, and then it can tell you in text how to do it.

which, again, I probably would use fetch there's these ballpark hot dogs,

long ways away from the AI I I like it, but there's

for ESLint suggestions and kind of acting as like a second brain then. Yeah. Do it for me. You know what I mean?

and where it gives you a little bit of context, a little bit of help throughout it, I find that just as I love Copilot to be very good.

Copilot's looking at this and be like, oh,

completions like, how the the code works together via all the symbols in in your code base. And how did you

and I think that's because I'm it's not doing exactly what I wanted or or I'm not sure how to how to use it properly. And I feel like this does a better job at that. And I would bet that

to

I do find that, personally, it fails, for me. Alright. I'm just gonna do another example here. I I asked it, create a React project that fetches a list of GitHub users via the API. So certainly. So first of all, you need to n p x create React app, You can use your own versions of of specific things. You can enforce

and you're writing, you know, a Svelte template or a React template. It's able to, like, really do a good job of appropriating that that data structure to HTML structure. Like, that kind of stuff is is really nice and easy with Copilot. But when you Node to understand more about your application,

v code gen. So npm. Let's see if I npm install.

So let's see if I apply.

in the GitHub Copilot chat Yeah. And and confused enough where I'm just like, this is not just text, but these modules Would you like to run the port add a port on a different port? Yes. I would. And it crashed.

Anthropic or Claude to to type in the chat there. But for some reason,

So you can have it you know, you have some code in front of you. Maybe a coworker wrote it, and it wasn't commented very well. Maybe it's a Rust function and you don't write Rust and you have no idea where to go for this. You can you can very quickly and easily just say, hey, you're inherently gonna make it tougher for people to switch.

style and then a number instead of font size

the files for me, which I would expect it to. Yeah. Same. That's fine.

were were very good. I found that was was excellent. So I think we're a

Yeah. And let's go over, like, some of the the features that that they say in case you're wondering or say, oh, well, Sanity generate all this code for me. Like, 1, it does really do a good job at, like, contextually, Wes generating code just like Copilot. Right? Gives you a suggestion, like, a fancy auto complete can help you. The multiple line edits, like, it can suggest to edit multiple lines at once is really great. Super duper handy.

for for people who Yarn, like, think this is is bad, you know Node? Me, personally, this is not what I use, But in my experience,

this project Does it make sense? gave you a bit more of a flexible UI Okay. To proceed, yes. That's Npm installing something.

and then make a directory. So let let's just try it. I'm gonna run it,

So right off the bat, it's using create react app, which I probably would not do. I probably use Vite,

auto completes the font style for some reason instead of font size.

Come on. Oh, yeah. You gotta do f zed. I know. What's up with that? It also, like, does a really good job at answering questions about your code.

the application just looking at the current Wes you are and just guessing. Right? Oh, you you're hovering over an array. Maybe you want to do this right now. Right? It it feels like a lot of times with Copilot, it's just a big guess. And sometimes that guess is really nice and helpful. Like, you have data structure

That doesn't run.

an AI tool for. And I know It's that a lot of people do. But I I know that it's like, I find this tool to be more valuable it sucks. You know? Like Yeah. That's just the way people operate.

to do this type of thing. So now maybe if I go back and say,

is not typically something I use within the editor. I'll go to, like, is it a massive shift and a hardware device. That's fine. But, like, you can say that. It doesn't have to be some sort of grand thing, but then, of course, you're not gonna get the money for it. It says it It's a VC thing. Yeah. It's a VC thing. It says for fast premium request uses, fast uses of premium models are given first priority by our back end.

and item 3 1 pixel dashed.

Then it says to make a source app dot j s, so let's go ahead and apply that.

it was actually creating new files for me. So But you did get that through the chat itself. What's funny about eve even with Copilot,

And then go ahead and start it with npm start.

these, Versus Code folks are not looking at cursor and being like, alright. What can we learn from this? Because,

you Node? Like, that's how I feel about it. Yes.

Oh, it runs directly from there. Man, I have not tried this before.

pnpm edit Immediately. I totally expect them to go hard on the team

Update app Scott CSS.

this is, like, a failure of of it trying to build an application for you. Sure. It didn't do a good job at all. And now when I asked it to switch to Vite but Yeah. At the end of the day,

Oh, it failed here. It the editor could not open because the file was not found.

you can add custom docs

so many of the LLMs Wes you try to talk to them about game development, considering I I'm like new about this stuff. So I I do want to have some AI assistance to help me answer my questions at the very least. It's giving me like Godot version 3 or even version 4 answers that aren't relevant to what I'm looking for.

for the docs would be really great. And, you know, like, in Rust, the docs pages all have, like, really good automatically generated

So readjust all of my keyboard shortcuts because, man, I have really tweaked my keyboard shortcuts over time to to be exactly like how I want. And Zed can't even do some of the things that I want those keyboard shortcuts to be. So as great as that editor is, and it is, it's really Node,

or something that's This was effortless to switch. I I you know, you you have a note here that says your plug ins didn't transfer properly. But for me, I opened it up. It transferred my plug ins, and I was off to the races. Everything just worked. Yeah. My I'm still very bullish on Zed, and I think, like, long term, I am surprised my car didn't get vandalized while I'm sitting there in my my VR headset or whatever all these people. They're, like, prime territory for people who are gonna roll coal on your car or something. Oh, man. That's funny. I put a, a v eight badge on our Tesla just

API docs within Rust.

That

So the ability to give this something like the the exact

Svelte five, whatever this Svelte five doc site. Right? It's not an official site or it's the official site, but it's not like the normal URL. So I can say, hey. Here's Svelte five docs. Here are the docs page. Go crawl this page, and then there's an index button. You just click pnpm, and it goes off and it indexes the entire docs. Oh, man. And it adds the docs to context.

where you add a new doc and you paste it to the landing page of the documentation. So for me, it was whatever,

or a new version library has come out and you wanna ask questions about it. You can get that Docs' context so easily.

And likewise,

Godot is the the framework I'm using. And Godot had a 3 ESLint or a 4.3 version come out recently.

They're, like, tab to complete and, like, select some stuff and chat about it. I found that decent, of, like, requires in it. Like, it must know

here and just brings it back into it and gives us more I don't know if you're one of those people that grinds their salt as well, but we're a we're a family that does that. And the adjustability every now and then, it gets clogged. And every now and then, when you're grinding it, the top of it spins off because you grind in the opposite direction of

I really hope Versus Code just takes what what Gerser is doing

The tooltips have params

UI

but when I moved over to cursor and started trying it, I was like, this feels And it must know, It gives me a really nice diff of what's going to happen, so I'll go ahead and accept that. Good.

Yeah. Let's talk about that extra UI layer. And, actually, that that was what the completions here actually got me. It was a little hard for me when I first got started because I I actually had modified my

that it it couldn't just be a plug in. That's exactly why. That is exactly right. That's what it feels like. You know? But for me, you know, like you were saying, it being like Versus Node, I think that nails it because,

let me explain that. They took Versus Node, and they added a whole bunch of UI to it, meaning that there's new pop ups, there's new windows, there's new So a bit of Canadian At what point does it start to slow down? We had it with the with MidJourney.

To me, it feels like there is enough augmentation into how it works within the interface

I'm glad that somebody is building a new editor from scratch, and it actually feels really good. But they're

but it's so far from Versus Code for me that now I'm

having to reinstall plug ins, and before, it didn't even have plug ins. I'm having to find new themes. I'm having to,

niceties, nice UI bits that were not possible in Versus Node. And I thought that was very interesting because

you know, we just released or CJ just released a a video on YouTube about Versus Node. And, like, half the comments are like, what about Zed? What about Zed? What about Zed? What about Zed? What about, really well executed,

by not having that basis of Versus Code,

And, like, 1, Cursor is Versus Node with some stuff on top that's really nice. But Zed

every single day. And when you wanna try something new, if it just moves over so autocomplete is it is it a a massive game changer? The reason we like it is because it is so nice to use, and then is is saying something. So today, we're gonna sort of talk through why is it good and

Cursor is making a bit of a splash, I think, partially because they have some serious funding behind them and partially because it's actually really good. I'm very impressed at it. I'm I'm kinda like a big GitHub Copilot,

syntax. Let's face it. If you're using AI coding assistance,

and let's get going. You know what? One thing I've been noticing online, Wes, is that anytime

or if people see people talking it on Twitter. I I I hear a lot of people say this, like, oh, it's like a influencer driven. It's not really that special. It's not really that interesting.

better than GitHub Copilot, which

code editor out there. Seems like everybody's talking about it, and that is this thing called Cursor Cursor AI. And, Cannot fire find module a j let me just double check. Yeah. That's that's the right one.

it's been a couple months since we've had a show specifically on these AI coding ones, but I feel like things have have progressed in the last couple months. And it it will suggest something on the 1st line, but it you can tab it, and it will do the rest. This one will give you individual At least now, there's been lots of examples of things that were supposed to replace us so much that it's it's a bit of a joke. Dreamer.

I would say, significantly aside from the whole, like, they took an open source project and raised $60,000,000 Alright. I think that's it. Anything else to add? the hottest, hypiest I think it's something brand new like this is is pretty overhyped. When a when all the AI stuff initially hit, use search is the correct hook. Yes. And then JSON stringifies it, creates a new component.

cursor gets brought up Yeah. Especially on, like, online communities like Reddit or something like that. There's a lot of dismissive tone around it. A lot of people saying, like,

Oh, I'm doing super good, man. I gotta agree on Cursor. This might come off a little glowing in this episode, but I promise this episode Scott sponsored by Cursor. In fact, none of these episodes are sponsored by anybody, but the show is presented by Sanity. So, century.ioforward/

this is a new code editor that is trying to once again change the game of Yeah. As someone with, a a bit of egg on its face, I think. Yeah. So it's it's not running. It it Node a little bit more,

Welcome to Syntax. Today, we're talking about but my other one did. So, man,

I don't know if it's just because it's an AI thing, Grant. You Node, sometimes people get a little angry about the AI stuff version number

how do you use it, is it worth it, all that good stuff. My name is Wes Bos, a developer from Canada. With me, as always, is mister Scott Tolinski. How are you doing today, Scott? So I now I have to, like, 1 by 1 move them over. I tried 1 to connect to the database, 1 with server side function, and 1 on the client side. And that is really neat GitHub Copilot.

production, development, all that stuff. So head on over to century.oforward/syntax,

I know some there's a number of folks who might not even know what code they're adding to their code base. And that's good business for Century because Century can tell you if it found the bug. Maybe your AI coding assistant went off the rails here. And you need a a system that make sure that you're protected from issues that's going on in your application,

because the context windows for what you can send to an LLM are getting much larger.

I think, like, pushing the bounds of of what is possible because But then I'm pretty sure Node Whisperer, which is AWS. I think that's about 15 as well. So this is by and far the most expensive And context. And GitHub Copilot is really good for Oh, yeah. See, like, this is what I wish the and it's been

parts of your code Bos. So you can reference files, folders, Wes, no. Like, I'm not I'm not here to, like, Exactly. Obviously, this is So I could go ahead and do that. So here it's trying to edit the existing one. I think because I had opened a brand new project previously, we need to do that as well. This is a really nice UI. And the nice thing about GitHub Copilot is Wes who works down the hall from the GitHub co Copilot people Yeah. The Versus Code people. You know? Like, it's the same company. So Oh, yeah.

Wes, let's let's try it. This is the syntax code base here. Alright. So I'm creating a new one here. Create a new Svelte page that lists the post by their topic and view count, and then you are able to select Wes are working on it. Tech. Cool. Cool. Awesome. Alright. Thanks, everybody. Peace.

which model you want it to run on. So this one is running on Claude 3.5 Sanity, and then you can also mention

or symbols. So you know how, like, when you want when you search for a specific function Mhmm.

function that I wrote here to to select from the database. So I'm gonna do it without let's see what it generates for us here.

HTML app. Maybe I should make a brand new

especially, like, you have opened a CSS file. I could see it being handy specifically in CSS when you have a situation that you can't use a loop because you're not using Sass. You could use that type of thing where it's, like, kind of impossible to to write totally dry code there. So I I could definitely see that being something I would use, but not something I have used,

inside of here. No. So

cursor context

is not most likely going to be in the model. Right?

this is one thing that I really like about this JS that, like, again, for Svelte five, to manage docs

One thing I don't know if you've really checked out, Wes, is the ability

Yeah. But what you can do is you can give kick back with my phone plugged in. I'm just like Oh my gosh. You know? The goofiest stuff in the whole world. I'm in, like,

yeah. I I struggle with this in Copilot a lot too where it's just, like, constantly popping up, and you're just like, please or have really thought about too much.

It's there's a fine line between it being

I had to turn it off. I was writing a complex loop the other day, and I had to turn it off for a second because it was trying to get too much ahead of me. And I needed to be like, like, hold hold on a sec. Like, I need to think about this. Yeah. Yeah. Just chill. Yeah. I feel that, you know tab,

when I tried it, Smart rewrites. It will fix your mistakes. So if you're typing something, this happens to me all the time. In CSS, you leave out a colon. Node

I did find it to be magnitudes

better than the experience of, you know, Copilot. And I get I get Copilot for free as being a GitHub star.

And I would choose to use Cursor over over Copilot after giving it a go. And again, not sponsored here. This JS, like, genuine,

helpful, but it can also be very disorienting.

please stop. And Yeah. One of the worst parts about that with Copilot

Copilot. So to me, that Wes, like, a big win it's new stuff. Right? It's not trained on the Svelte five code base necessarily. Yeah. But with cursor, I don't know if it's just the context of having the rest of your application and the fact that I have all this Svelte five code in the app, but it was generating the Svelte five code correctly

it will just ghost code in the middle of where your cursor JS, and that can be

in ways that it it couldn't for

in the fact that it is popping up. Because, again, when that pop up pops up and it's not even close, it can be such an annoying experience. Right?

Yeah. And even the So here's the chat. Now it's it's it's telling me, okay. This is what you need to do. Mhmm. Apply to TypeScript.

the diffs that pop up is kind of interesting as well because things that run, I I feel like I can give a good

is that because Svelte five is in RC, it's still new. The suggestions that it's giving you for a Svelte file with Copilot are often totally wrong. Right? Because

with the rest of the other 3. And immediately, replace the contents. So let let's just go ahead and and do it. Maybe we can ask it to refactor it for these things. So now it's gonna tell us to npm install Axios. Good.

completion the chat interface

and and said, hey. You you forgot to wrap this in a paragraph tag. And I just oh, I wasn't even working on that part of the application, I think probably more than 15 motors,

shortcut to be command enter instead of tab just because I wanted to like, tab was always bugging me that it would do completions on tab. So I I kept on having to get used to doing it on tab again. I could have just changed that, but I I haven't yet. So, that was the one little hiccup I had. But other than that, it was a smooth smooth transition. But, yeah, let's talk about the the UI and, like, what makes the UI interesting or or different?

a sort of shaking it up. And,

of Is that the the package name?

reformat this code to be or or add types to this Node? Right? Those are those are sort of the 2. But cursor takes it a little bit further, and it will a bit of a joke, but the actual app using it in the application so that plug ins can do things. Oh, the hovering over top is a bit nicer. You can style things a little bit nicer.

help you write code with AI. Like, the the 2 big ones that we have right now are the ghost code tab to complete

Yeah. So there's, like, a handful of ways that it will available to plug ins because I've always found the

loop that I was writing, and I had, like, 4 4 things that I was doing. And then the 5th thing that I was doing, it was some HTML,

I find that the little diffs that it pops up over top of the code to be like a nice little bit of UI. Another cool thing is that it will make edits

and used here.

that's so nifty because it it must

will save a bunch of data to a database and then display it with React on the front end. It will go ahead and create multiple files for you in your file system,

follow, like, the dependency graph half the time, I'll be like, reinstalling it and all that, and I don't know what happened. But Oh, so I it wanted me to have that open.

to to have it both create those files JS well as if you wanna make a sweeping change across your code Bos, it will show you the 3 or 4 spots throughout your code base I

stuff locally to figure out, like, what what bits of your code can you send to the LLM.