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Home Office Tips

Wes Bos

Wes Bos Host

Scott Tolinski

Scott Tolinski Host

Topic 0 00:00

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Scott Tolinski

the Philips Hue bulbs allow you to adjust. Some of them, even you don't even have to get into the color changing ones. You can get in ones that will adjust the temperature of the light as well.

Wes Bos

closet,

Wes Bos

like, way too

Wes Bos

I've been working at home as a web developer for 2 years, And I am still using a room in the house that was once used for kids judging by the cloud wallpaper. It's never really felt like my own space.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. And I do wanna say too, this even goes for, like, in office office spaces as well. I've worked in plenty what a good office and maybe home office or even just general office space

Scott Tolinski

do you wanna get into the very first thing that we have on our list here, Wes? Yeah. This is actually,

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Wes Bos

Wider lights in my office because of recording,

Wes Bos

cool Maybe it's a 1 inch, 1 and a half. Whatever the whole side is, you can buy these little grommets,

Wes Bos

the potluck. And sometimes these questions are so good that we wanna give it its entire episode. So I'll just rattle through this one quickly. I have a question about your home office environment. Do you have any general specific recommendations on how to create a productive,

Wes Bos

The Level Up Lodge.

Wes Bos

Overall, we just want to put a lot of time into them, but we know that that's not everybody's set up. A lot of people have a guest room with a bed in the background or a basement

Wes Bos

but Yeah.

Scott Tolinski

of places where there were open offices or,

Wes Bos

If you go to the store, just get some new bulbs. I think there's so many people that don't realize so you can really enjoy

Scott Tolinski

On this Monday, hasty treat, we're going to be talking all about Another thing here, if you're working in a real office Any sort of dangling cables, I just tuck in there. It makes it really nice and easy, low effort.

Wes Bos

white, actually pretty expensive, In my opinion, it's better like warm light.

Scott Tolinski

And if you're anything like me, be ergonomically I know, Wes, you did something somewhat similar.

Wes Bos

something that actually, I went through with my wife, Specifically, we built her an office USB bank.

Announcer

Tolinski.

Wes Bos

461,

Wes Bos

like, Phillips bulbs in every single fixture in the house, but they were all that, like, And it does a better job at sort of centering you for where you wanna go. Plus, you go fast as hell, and you can spin around. So that's fun as well. Yeah. Totally.

Scott Tolinski

Stuff. And there is science behind, like, a bright, whiter light being better for concentrating and

Scott Tolinski

Welcome to Syntax.

Wes Bos

Episode 5 16 is Wes' new soundproof office,

Wes Bos

And when we moved into our house, I popped holes in every single Looking for that thing. It's nice just to be able to throw it in there and be done with it. Yeah. Totally. And also do, like, actual deep cleaning. You know?

Scott Tolinski

optimizing I just used the Jarvis legs in an IKEA countertop.

Scott Tolinski

And I I do wanna say off the jump here, if you notice that I'm saying things oddly here, I had dental surgery. So just as a disclaimer, and don't forget to subscribe in your podcast player

Wes Bos

We certainly have Scott and I both have our own episodes on that.

Wes Bos

But also relax based for thinking clearly and staying comfortable and focused.

Wes Bos

that there's different

Announcer

Boss, and Scott, El Toro Loco,

Wes Bos

and they're ideal because we spend a lot of time recording. We do a lot of video here, and, as you're talking on at least for me, if I hear myself talking and Like, a major echo, it really throws me off. But then whenever there's, like, a nice room tone, it's a lot easier for me to get my thoughts out. Yeah. Totally. And

Scott Tolinski

So, And we were just doing our intro to level up kind of call, and I went to raise my desk because I you know, I'm I'm stuff. ADHD, I'm standing and sitting all the time. I went to raise my desk, and I had a dangling cable get caught on something, and it pulled my whole desk over.

Wes Bos

like, different cultures around like, I know in Dubai that, like, cool white is very popular because it's very hot there. But In Canada, we much prefer a warm white. It makes the feel space feel a little bit cozy. I have slightly House fire cause is people but also have

Wes Bos

and you want to get it dialed in as much as possible so that you can do your best work. So that's what this episode is all about.

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Scott Tolinski

giving you some tips and tricks into, Come

Scott Tolinski

What's up, y'all? My name is Scott Tolinski. With me as always is Wes. What's going on, Wes? Stuff. Hey. Not too much. We got a question via It removes one of those points where you could,

Wes Bos

And we go through basically like

Wes Bos

Extremely stuff. It's pretty easy to do. Just go get a little hole saw if you don't have 1 and buy a bunch of these things. Slap them in. Good to go. Word. Yeah. I also find Nanotape

Wes Bos

this isn't the dream office episode.

Topic 1 05:03

White light better for concentrating, warm tones more calming

Scott Tolinski

if at all possible, I I understand this is a,

Scott Tolinski

yeah, I like natural light in my office if at all possible.

Scott Tolinski

I use a one of those rubber, sat on the floor at work and stretched.

Scott Tolinski

pick the room with the window. It it feels like pretty self explanatory, but, Yeah. And if you have cash to spend,

Wes Bos

Next one we have here is clutter and cords. This is not something I'm really able to speak on, but that is clutter and cords are your worst enemy.

Scott Tolinski

the the more, I personally the things that I value here is a sit stand desk.

Scott Tolinski

So there is some stuff there. I personally

Scott Tolinski

an environment type of thing. Natural light is always going to be

Scott Tolinski

I have all these studio lamps, and it was I I'm already a a fairly pale person, so it was casting a lot of white light on my face at all times. So I end up getting

Scott Tolinski

a way that's going to potentially make you frustrated. I have a number of things that I use. I have a a cable cage, which is like a wire cage that I have screwed to the underneath of my desk.

Wes Bos

which is really nice. So you don't have to unplug and plug in again, but It's a constant battle of me trying to cable manage

Scott Tolinski

You know, warm tones being more calming.

Scott Tolinski

My tip for lighting is if if at all possible Noise Pro, you know, whatever. They don't have to do the Apple thing, but just give us a real product name instead of some giant string of numbers. Yeah. And we we got my kids, the y's, like, the w y zed e. We got them the noise canceling headphones, and they are so comfy.

Wes Bos

Stuff. Oh my gosh. Thing And then he goes on to ask for some tips. So have worn the QC 35 for

Scott Tolinski

that you you basically tuck the cables in this rubber thing, and then you sticky that to the floor. You don't want exposed cables on the floor. I use this. Apparently, that's like a a very high They make debugging and solving your software problems easy, and they,

Scott Tolinski

and then you move something and then it pulls something off your desk or or like Yeah. I I will go absolutely nuts. One time, Wes, I kid you not, I was on a a a video call with Colby Fayock, in a a way that makes you productive.

Scott Tolinski

windows, whatever, let's say you're given the option between a closet and a room with a window,

Scott Tolinski

It was Awful. So cables, they're, you you know, they're awful to to have in a a Stuff comes up. At the very least,

Scott Tolinski

the very best. You know, natural light can really help awaken a space in so many ways. So If you can have your room space with lighting, feels like to work in.

Scott Tolinski

it was probably There's a lot here.

Wes Bos

I have a constant battle. When I first set up my desk, I got every little cord tucked in perfect.

Scott Tolinski

like, in programming, the Mentally taxing

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. And and there is nothing

Scott Tolinski

a box that allowed me to have a warm light cast on my face just to give me some color, but that's a totally different need entirely.

Scott Tolinski

fell backwards, and, If you you're already like, oh, man. I'm going back to work. If you come back to work on Monday with a beautiful clean desk,

Scott Tolinski

one of the top 10 most frustrating moments.

Scott Tolinski

our work is frustrating. Right? And there's honestly nothing worse And when you're already frustrated by something in your code

Scott Tolinski

floor runners

Topic 2 08:41

Protect cables on floor to avoid fire hazard

Wes Bos

desk grommets off of Amazon

Wes Bos

which is

Scott Tolinski

I use this Tubing for my wires that is like a a neat nylon tubing for your wires that you can tuck them all in to keep all the cables that are our supposed to be run together together.

Wes Bos

tape. Velcro is pretty good.

Wes Bos

what is it? The whole bookcase? Looked so sweet. You couldn't see a single one, and then, like, 6 months later, they're all dangling because Just knowing that, okay, if I need a USB C cable, I know that they're in the modern USB box, and I'm not going to be spending forever

Scott Tolinski

Anything that's not supposed to be on your desk, like, stuff accumulates

Scott Tolinski

your desk will be

Scott Tolinski

it feels

Wes Bos

relatively can drain your energy, and they are so a tapestry. It could and I'm in like a middle of a call and I just grabbed the other pair.

Scott Tolinski

in your workspace. It just Like all the cups in the house? Books and papers.

Scott Tolinski

You can get in various widths. It's nice and easy to work with. I also will recommend The last thing you wanna be doing in a cluttered, awful office is debugging your production software. So check out [email protected].

Wes Bos

I have a a yogurt lid over here. Let's see what what random stuff can I find on my desk here? I got Syntax Yeti, soon to be available on the site store. Yep. I have a

Wes Bos

was pretty good as well, not for super heavy things, but for

Scott Tolinski

do a deep clean, like, Friday at 3 PM. I'm talking

Wes Bos

thing behind me,

Scott Tolinski

any trash, stuff. I wanna say, like, aggression, but just like that sort of frustration that comes about when working in problem solving. Yeah. Noise canceling headphones are

Wes Bos

a put a, thing under a rug or something like that, extension cord, And you run over it, and you can't see it. So definitely get something to protect your cables if they are running over the floor. Yeah. Totally.

Wes Bos

Cutting a hole in your desk. Like, don't be afraid and they are Yeah. You could drop something in. I don't know. Like, if it's made out of stuff the cars are made out of, you know, car car windows. If you ever watch videos of people try to break a car window, Obviously, that works. But at the very least, that's one of those things that made a huge difference for me. Just popping a hole right through it. I did also

Wes Bos

A a Blackberry third party wheels for it. So it probably came with some cheap plastic casters, even if, like, I have an expensive Herman Miller one, and It comes with these casters They had put

Scott Tolinski

Encumbered by all of this stuff around you. But if you if you make a commitment to do it, you know, every Friday as you leave work or whatever, cubicle space or anything like that. So there's definitely a lot of applicable things in this as well For those of you working in an actual office.

Wes Bos

to pop a hole through it. I'm afraid of that. Because And Scott's is episode

Scott Tolinski

completely different.

Scott Tolinski

Next tip here is to clean.

Wes Bos

and just cut a hole where your wires need to go, and then that will stop them from going over the back of the desk. A lot of people don't necessarily care about it if you can't see it, but, for cords and little boxes, USB hubs. Nanotape is this like reusable

Wes Bos

Stuff. Yeah, I have such a because I have such a nice big desk.

Scott Tolinski

on Monday have any sort of for a full archive of all of our shows, that can pull you out of not only your head space, but can just, like, Distract you, make you feel scattered. And it's not about being 100% productive.

Scott Tolinski

with a messy desk.

Scott Tolinski

Some simple green spray and some some paper towel or what we we recently bought these, like, reusable paper towels, which are cloth that you can reuse a number of times that are are nice to use. But either way, you need that stuff, man. Clean it on Friday. I'll tell you what. There's absolutely nothing worse than coming in to work

Wes Bos

put like Recently on my whole the ideal,

Wes Bos

And on my desk. Wow.

Scott Tolinski

Judiciously clean. Yeah. I I clean all the time. In fact, I like to clean at the end of each day. I understand that's not possible.

Topic 3 13:00

Baby wipes for quick cleaning between tasks

Scott Tolinski

And also,

Scott Tolinski

you know, I use these, like, sticky cable holders so that stuff. Where my once my setup is dialed in, it's just a little sticker you put on your desk that holds a cable. Yeah. Those are great. When you unplug something, the cable's not falling off the back of the desk. You don't have to go hunting for it. If you're running cables to your desk and you have a wood floor,

Wes Bos

While I'm doing that, I'll I'll just grab a baby wipe and go to town on it. Word.

Scott Tolinski

Noise canceling headphones will will do a world of soundproofing for you in a way for your own personal headspace rather than, you know, what does your microphone sound like.

Wes Bos

probably 6 or 7 years now.

Scott Tolinski

Noise canceling headphones

Wes Bos

That's a nice tip. Next one we have here is, sound absorption.

Wes Bos

I specifically there's a lot of thought that went into that. And One of the very first things that we did is we had to decide on lighting.

Wes Bos

a room that is not yet finished or anything like that, and there's people talking and you feel really irritated or overwhelmed.

Wes Bos

And then I know the Sony

Scott Tolinski

and being able

Wes Bos

Awesome for me because I could just grab 1 and

Scott Tolinski

It's gonna absorb a ton of sound. It's gonna give me some place to chill out. But, like, having anything in here that absorbs that sound. All all hard surfaces is a bad idea in general for making yourself sound good.

Scott Tolinski

stuff that can be very You know, you're gonna hear everything.

Scott Tolinski

to put yourself in a headspace that minimizes, here's another one for focusing,

Wes Bos

get out of even like my keyboard. My mouse gets a little bit gross sometimes, and Every now and then, I'll just especially if I'm, like, watching, like, a video on, like, how to do something.

Scott Tolinski

Because

Wes Bos

XW 4 mine Jade emoji. What do you got? Man, that those look sick. I

Wes Bos

It might be because the sound waves are bouncing around and just, like, kind of overwhelming you. So also, like, if your Zoom calls sound like garbage so smooth.

Scott Tolinski

Not getting frustrated with the problems I'm trying to solve. Let's face it. We're we're working on,

Wes Bos

I have several of those,

Scott Tolinski

sound because

Wes Bos

Baby wipes, man. Like, you spill a little bit of coffee or, like, Oh, you're sitting on a call and you're like, oh, I should wipe stuff down. It's a little bit dusty. Having just a pack of baby wipes in your office has been 150. You can get a pair of

Scott Tolinski

in our house forever, old IKEA couch. Right? Yeah. My wife wanted to get rid of it. It said, it's not it's kind of a ratty couch. I'm gonna be honest. But it's we we've had a very long time here. But when the couch,

Wes Bos

At least for me, Stick it to the bottom of your desk at somehow even pipe strap. I have a bunch of pipe strap underneath my desk for the really heavy stuff. Yeah.

Wes Bos

soundproof office obviously, but

Scott Tolinski

regardless of how well it fits in here or not.

Scott Tolinski

some place you can shut the door.

Scott Tolinski

in a very positive way that will take you out and just put you into a completely different headspace. So if you cannot

Wes Bos

But just putting little pieces of phone, literally anything, a couch, a rug,

Scott Tolinski

stuff. If you're setting up your space in a common area of your house, not being able to shut the door invites people walking through that space,

Scott Tolinski

stuff. Will separate you from that world

Wes Bos

stick something up. It could be Don't ask me why. What else we got here? A little nippers, So the battery does last all day. But if I forget to charge them, Last 1 I have here is rollerblade wheels.

Wes Bos

will make a massive difference both like

Wes Bos

be like, obviously, you can build sound panels.

Wes Bos

you know, over.

Scott Tolinski

I've often put, like, furniture like, let's say, we had a couch they are the ones presenting syntax, so check it out at century.i0.

Wes Bos

and I have 2 pair because having an office that absorbs the sounds that are happening

Scott Tolinski

jump. Kids walking through that space, anything

Wes Bos

I have tried the 7 100. They are hot garbage.

Wes Bos

that is hurting your team as well.

Scott Tolinski

His old house, the dogs barking, kids talking, whatever.

Scott Tolinski

I I know soundproofing is like a whole whole topic. And and, in fact, most people probably even should've dive into actual soundproofing or anything like that. So And even honestly,

Wes Bos

So you don't need to create an entirely Need one of those, you know, those plastic

Scott Tolinski

came up for grabs, I said, I'm going to throw that couch in my office

Scott Tolinski

Come on. Just give just give us, like, a a Sony

Wes Bos

makes me so much more calm. Like, if you've ever been in a, like, a gymnasium

Topic 4 18:33

Comfort is key for noise-canceling headphones

Wes Bos

And the black ones are 100,

Wes Bos

get a piece of wood and paint it. Make it look nice, you know, because, like, if you are staring at an Amazon box bright white for you to make the field space feel comfortable. And and I've actually learned since that, open entirely for the in your office will, you have to take 1 out and something else works. And Yeah. Some yeah. You gotta unplug and unplug, and stuff. I did end up getting a little, like, USB hub that you can turn on and off with a button, something in your office that will absorb those echoey sounds We ended up getting

Wes Bos

arm, the desk height, and your chair height. Play with the chair height as get it Illustration of that. And basically, every single shoebox has, like, a category in it, and you just just throw the cords in there. You don't like, you can tie them up and whatnot, but We both have pretty sick offices,

Scott Tolinski

You can get them for fairly cheap. With the cranky ones IKEA or a mechanical one,

Wes Bos

to lift your monitor up, It's just flat surfaces, man.

Wes Bos

which is I was surprised right across the hall from me, and

Wes Bos

or you just want to have the noise canceling

Scott Tolinski

a caricature, but

Wes Bos

I think that's

Wes Bos

That's good.

Scott Tolinski

So it, like, truly stays wherever you put it. You're not gas arms. Those are great. Yeah. You're not having to worry about and and, honestly, I move mine all the time.

Wes Bos

I think they regularly go on sale for 50, $60. Their website says the white ones are $20

Scott Tolinski

I'm feeling like I need to engage. I'll bring it closer. I feel like it's too high. I'll move it. I'm you know what? I'm I'm crazy with it. I'll move it all over the place. So,

Wes Bos

monitor pot lights for her that you could adjust and we landed on 35 100 Kelvin.

Wes Bos

especially if you're not going to be standing. It's still nice to get the height of the desk dialed in. Absolutely perfect. But

Scott Tolinski

And sometimes I'll bring my desk down and kneel, So, like, having a a a decent monitor is a good thing.

Wes Bos

second tough ear noise canceling headphones. You don't have to buy a $500 pair.

Wes Bos

I feel like

Scott Tolinski

Yep. He's on the floor again stretching. Alright.

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. In here, I've linked to a Vivo one that's, like it's $40 on Amazon, and it's,

Wes Bos

That was a game changer for me for getting it absolutely dialed in. It's just so much more comfortable.

Wes Bos

get a monitor arm or raise your monitor to the right height. I know a lot of people just put

Scott Tolinski

a fatigue mat for when you're standing is really nice on your feet And I'll make you stand longer.

Wes Bos

dialed in. Those things are super important to being comfortable.

Scott Tolinski

can put you in a different headspace sometimes. For, like, a 100 and $40,

Wes Bos

I feel like that's not good. I don't know. Maybe it's not a big deal, but I feel like the back of the bookcase so that the wires can run down through that.

Scott Tolinski

Sometimes I don't even want it. Move it all the way. Who cares? to the point where, like, stuff. I don't know about you, Wes, but, like For me, it's more about, like, your home office,

Scott Tolinski

Jump. Being able to sit stand, it's huge for me. And and on that same degree, maybe just for this in a couple of episodes here, I will be Kind of wonky with some of my words, but I'll be back to normal. So just as a disclaimer.

Scott Tolinski

comfortable Look. I got I got I boop I boop Ibuprofen right here. I got a lens cap right here.

Scott Tolinski

But just that transition Samsung or whoever, makes some decent ones that are are not, like, crazy expensive. They're are good. Another thing here is is get your ergonomics dialed in.

Wes Bos

Having headphones that hurt your head or, like, a completely different stress environment for you. I I have a a tip for you. Baby wipes. So if you are on a different level, you don't necessarily have a sink whatever. Like, it's like it's a thing to bring a cloth,

Scott Tolinski

Yeah. No. Totally. Just anything.

Wes Bos

Just get one and then dial it into the perfect height

Wes Bos

Sandy desk legs,

Scott Tolinski

pneumatic.

Scott Tolinski

And another thing I like is I have a foam knee pad

Wes Bos

sitting at your desk. So it's the When you're on the call with somebody

Scott Tolinski

I think it's important to

Scott Tolinski

or I'll do lunges and and get some movement in while I'm working. Jeff. Maybe it's just because I'm hyperactive, but, like, that stuff really is important to me. I was often known as the guy who,

Wes Bos

comfortable to put on. They don't sound amazing. Like, I don't think that I would do it for listening music all day long. But if you're not like an audiophile or You don't necessarily care you can go grab a what is it like a 2 inch hole saw? thing on all day long, then that's a good set to have. It looks like they're sold out.

Wes Bos

if you have to go up, just put some pieces of wood underneath your desk. Get it

Scott Tolinski

that you can get off of Amazon for cheap. It's just a like a little foam knee pad.

Wes Bos

a monitor arm is like 20 or $30.

Wes Bos

O'Reilly books underneath their monitor or like an Amazon box.

Wes Bos

but they're both sold out. So I don't even know if they're going to go back in stock. But there's tons of these like

Scott Tolinski

And and you don't have To be, you know, that, like, classic image of the guy with the footrest and the hand and every you don't have to be the the picture perfect ergonomic,

Wes Bos

at how affordable they are. And then just Even your existing desk.

Scott Tolinski

stuff. I I I know they like, in ear ones,

Wes Bos

Perfect.

Topic 5 23:19

Rollerblade wheels for chair make moving smooth

Wes Bos

pretty much every office chair out there

Wes Bos

one way. I feel like with the roller blade wheels, your chair will adjust to those micro movements in your weight,

Wes Bos

This was

Scott Tolinski

They just roll over anything

Wes Bos

get the spacing

Scott Tolinski

oh, heroin was a pretty strong. There's a really good one of that guy who there's a guy who who's, like, trying to road rage, And he comes over to a car and starts pounding on the window. Boom. Boom. And you're just like, oh, buddy.

Scott Tolinski

Head on over to syntax.fm Like a a breath of fresh air. I'm ready to get started rather than Yeah.

Wes Bos

Although I have seen they have there's glass ones. I know. We're we get the same Instagram as I'm sure. Yeah. I don't know if I would ever do it, but, like,

Scott Tolinski

like I've mentioned several times in this episode, when you're already frustrated with your code, the last thing you wanna do is be frustrated by something external that could be prevented. Yeah. The under blade wheels just rolling over stuff

Scott Tolinski

to own a glass of flour.

Wes Bos

Or if you have a monitor that's not perfectly centered, you might just, like, have just slightly.

Wes Bos

pads, then you roll off of it and you Oh, yeah. You know, you fall off the end and they're they're cracked.

Scott Tolinski

Or drop a review if you like this show.

Scott Tolinski

further frustrate yourself in the midst of being annoyed with something else. Yeah.

Wes Bos

will accept

Scott Tolinski

Get your toe stuck in the crack, and it pinches you. You don't need those things with the rollerblade build. Spikey. What's up with the like, have you ever tried to pick one of those left? Oh, yeah. Try and think about it? Are they poking you? Now.

Scott Tolinski

just stuff.

Wes Bos

It's so much nicer. Like, my wife got a brand new chair the other day, and immediately it's like, take these things off. 1st, they're going to scratch up our flooring down here. I feel like I can you could Like a game changer. I wear mine all day long, You know, like spend some time on it and sit with it for a couple days. Nah, maybe a little bit higher, maybe a little bit lower because

Wes Bos

You might not notice, but you might just be pushing your body to the right or to the left

Wes Bos

and you can pop them out and swap them with these roller blade casters

Scott Tolinski

am way too clumsy and destructive

Scott Tolinski

They are awesome. And the best part is, like, you got rugs. You got whatever.

Wes Bos

Awesome. Alright. I think that's all of our tips here. If you have some tips for getting your office dialed in, making it As comfortable as possible, let us know. Tweet us at syntax fm. We'll retweet a couple. Word. Alright. Alright. Peace. Peace.

Wes Bos

You realize, your eyes off to the side. You might be leaning access to everything that I need. And when I did all of our new video setup stuff, that a little bit messy.

Wes Bos

absolutely perfect with these wheels.

Wes Bos

If you are on carpet, if you are on a rug, if you're on hardwood,

Wes Bos

a major game changer for me. If you don't know,

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