Standard Server JavaScript - Deno, Workers, Bun and More

which is Crazy to think that when you have the first part of a Rid so dates, maps, sets, array buffers.

before the entire thing has been rendered. And Chat GPT is is a good example like that. You know like Chat GPT does that like typing thing angle bracket links

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their own But it's it's an iterable February 1, 2022. So it's It's only a year and a couple months old at the time of recording. So that's probably why I haven't heard of it is it's really, then And then that says, you know what? further, you said, like, if you are just doing client side JavaScript, you don't have to worry about these. And the answer To all of these different platforms 1st class, which is really cool. It is really cool. I I oh, I've I've said this before, but like There's so much to web streams, but one of the coolest thing to me is So like in

data. As it's figuring it out, it's streaming it to you, has method shortcuts, Which is like you can do .post, which is really nice because if you want to like post or put or delete something, by default fetches get, You don't have to like set the setting, you could just use a nice little method.

So again, Node. Js had its own streams implementation

And I was like, this is so silly sounds sick.

but they don't love Coming on and talking about it, they'd rather just kind of put their head down and keep working on awesome stuff.

to go across all of these. And we're going to list off a bunch of packages that work literally everywhere.

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objects, Const name equals Wes, But we should probably mention what that is because it was

used Versus Code's all in.

for things sometimes, but I don't know if I've ever implemented this, server side in systems where there is no file system for you to really, truly work with. I think that they should implement it, and I'll tell you why. Because my glasses. The glasses that I've had for the past, like, 2 years. Oh, I was wondering why you weren't wearing them. Oh, yeah. I

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and a key in many flavors of markdown, we have GitHub flavored markdown,

all the browsers, Chrome 98. What are we on right now with Chrome? Rid

tools just so people know. Oh, workers. Tools. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Because worker tools does not lead you to that. It's a cannot be reached. And that people Although that's funny, it's workers.

in all the browsers right now. But it is in Deno, it is in Node, which is cool. So you can take a copy of it.

rid. We can do a real quick primer and he never updated it for any of the features that people wanted, right? So now we have you have to use, like, an external Vercel Edge Functions run on Cloudflare.

all of the types that are not JSON able.

you know. The

or any other type of specialized object, literally amazing that there's a method that works rid. On the client and we'll just communicate directly to the server that, hey, you know what? I no longer need to keep going with this thing.

it allows you to stringify it and then put it back into one day your object.

Implementation

I I'm trying to look right now in my code base to see if there's anything with structured clone in my code base, but I don't see anything.

which like, button that you can press at any time rid. Don't necessarily know. Maybe because they only ever want you to do 1. You know, like, and the Alibaba has their own edge, If you had a file, it would encode it, and then you could decode it back into a file.

it it looks familiar enough that I know that it existed, eventually, I think we'll get to a point where You don't have to think about, okay, I did this this way in the browser and this way in the server. It's just JavaScript. And I think that's really the beauty of a lot of this. And that's definitely been, Like, I think some of the initial appeal of when Deno was first announced, them going hard on browser APIs was a big thing. And, you know, it's funny because it does feel like

rid. Explicitly.

And Worker Dot Tools is a set of again, the APIs

Rid You're copying the the string less aborting fetch requests.

for streaming and for keys, set. And it's it's so nice. Like if this was a library, You'd be like, oh, man. You definitely gotta check out URL search params. It's got everything. It's makes it makes working with and Giving us really good like converter tools so that if you have older code that isn't based in but keep deploy

rid. Then you by doing that same song and dance, it's not copying the data inside of it, it's just creating a pointer, A workers

top level will be Route information after it on the URL. And if you wanna parse those out, how do you do that? Using

So that's one of that's one of the standard APIs that every single and then it will overwrite the actual results. Right? So you gotta abort Different packages has been rolling out support for a lot of them, and they're very close, I think, to doing all of Node.

of

It does is it creates a deep clone In JavaScript, if you have a variable

is the URL,

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to do that. So this is kind of cool is that it takes The structured clone algorithm, Suite of different runtimes. We have nodeno, built in events.

and then you say const name to equals

Tools. Or workers.

I've been referencing this website quite a bit.

He's like, I'm not really comfortable coming on podcast. Sometimes people are so smart, And I was like, this is what Axios is.

Who does that for you? And quite honestly, that's one of the reasons why I was still reaching for Lodash in some cases is Yeah. If I needed to Pain. No. Pain. Pain. Pain. It's because there's a special encoding, URL when you need to implement something, even if you're just writing Node,

copies.

However, if you have duplicates and you can do What you essentially are listening for is you're using event listener, you're listening for a fetch event.

But

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unquoted

in the browser, when you're inside of JSON, you have to put double quotes around it. You don't need to do that in JSON five. Well, you can also do single quotes too in JSON five. Oh. Oh. That's the one thing that always has to be. And line breaks? You can't do line breaks in JSON? Multi line strings. Yeah. That's a decimal.

like, I guess, like like, how often do you write

trying to parse a couple months ago about a lot of libraries still use those. But Web streams itself is is massive. You can stream stuff from the browser to the client, and what it allows you to do is the cancel method. Like if you have a custom cancel method on your server, it will run that. Structured clone. This is one of those things where I feel like I've been doing Search will give you the entire Anything that is currently in flight. And then again, probably why you've never done that is because most Mhmm. Packages You just they're just firing guns in the air. That's how I think of events. They're just firing guns in the air, and then literally anybody who cares says, some sort of GraphQL library or whatever and you make a second request, what the the other responses. And if you use the Mhmm. And you can JSON by default. You can do URL prefixing. So if you just want to likeif you have like a base URL

So they just like dropped support for that. So I had to go through like

John Gerber, And it will signal to the server I wait for a second, and I go, Java. And it at that point, it'll send a request to the server and say, give me search results for Java. But then I keep typing in TypeScript.

And they would all need to install this third party package called JSON5 in order to parse it.

But It's like a CDN. Right? It's distributed throughout the world. And when somebody hits a request for a specific function, then it's going to run As close as possible to you. We have other shows about what the edge is. And and I I also do wanna point out to the listeners

Flavor of markdown there is.

not only GitHub supports that, not every other flavor supports it. And when I moved from MDX 1 to MDX 2, they dropped that

Rid Yeah. Yeah. But we'll we'll see. Maybe maybe one day we'll move away. Versus Code uses JSON five. That's why if you go into your any of your Versus Code settings files, Showdown.

the JSON implementation that we have right now Edge, It's kind of like, keys. That's really nice. So you know when you rid Like a bunch of like we have t c 39, you have w three c, and you have the what w g, Cramdown Coding for a while, and I had no idea this was a thing. Have you ever heard of structured clone? Have I heard of it? Yes. I'm I I feel like it's one of those ones that, Markdown 2, Marcu What name like cram? Ghost, API.

but then, like

It is using your local file rid. Yeah, I have no idea how that all correlates to

You can comment stuff out and you can

and trying to parse it doesn't really make sense Let's talk about packages

Files to your server in production. Probably almost never, right, because you're doing these immutable builds. Like if you'rethe one thing is you're uploading a file, You're probably not putting it like in WordPress, this is different.

rid. Cloudflare Workers, writing it so that you can deploy it literally anywhere. So we have Node.

hyperlink, who says hyperlink anymore? lovely. Rid Next one we have here is, JSON5

rid. Half the people in the group are like, well, we don't have a file system. Why would we? And if you can't use it, then implementing it promises and whatnot. And the guy said, he's like He's like, this project is not kind of ongoing right now because a lot of people have on is it doesn't know question mark show is that that you had not touched. And then that screws up your git diffs and rid Thankfully, And they're like, it's it's not ever gonna happen because

Rid. So in order for this to overtake needs. And then I saw this thing on there's this website called Worker Tools.

This obviously requires buy in on both ends.

If you use the file system API, which actually rules in the browser, by the way Yeah.

because I'm not used to wearing contacts every day, so my eyes have just been crazy. So What I'm doing right now is I'm just giving my eyes a bit of a break. I'm just letting them relax and then,

me using those that type, which is a pain in the butt. But that's Markdown for you, I guess. It's Markdown. Alright. A little detour there. Where were we? or they need to do yeah, you're right. Like, I don't

I've I've been part of so many,

Yeah, that's the kind of weird thing about standards. Same thing happened with Markdown, although Markdown has moved on, Is that like markdown was put out by rid. You if you have an object

Multi markdown, markdown extra, pan doc, cramdown.

the file, MDN file API. I don't I don't know if I use this for is it this it's not FS.

I don't, but I love it. Let's bring it let's bring it back. Hyperlink is where we wanna be. Rid. Anyways, So, like, maybe if you have a hyperlink, which is Look at Anyways, so he has this package called

Yeah. Yeah. But

Is do do you say hyperlink?

MDX, I guess, is its own oh, it also supports file, blob, and file list.

the tooling, the entire ecosystem is all based on JSON. Parse.

all kinds of rid. What else does JSON5 do? Let's let's explain it real quick. You can do Changing the page, you know, and that's what a lot of all these routers, Felt router, React router, all these things use the history API in the browser.

it would need to be implemented by literally every language projects still, Rid We have web streams now, but like Node had streams for forever before that. So you can now convert them to to web streams. So that's kind of the whole idea with this, So you can Yeah. When a database is saved, you could fire an event, oh, user has been updated. And then you can dispatch custom events. Like custom events in the browser, I think are kind of then you have to use the specific version. So rid Deno has its own file system. Node has its own file system APIs.

as like a service just yet. At least I haven't heard of any. There's Fastify. We had Jake on a couple of days ago

See enough people talking or using these that much. But having them to have your own custom events is so useful. I wonder why, URL search params, which is funny because URL Search params. I would imagine. I I I don't know,

Rid out there if you're out there and you want to put state

Sorehouse. Yep. And so it does a simple API, is because fetch was a browser API. Rid. So that fetch was developed in the what working group, the what w g, of that actual file.

stuff.

some of this stuff can feel

observably because it's a Svelte store. You can, Yeah. Oh, that's nice. It's it's funny, like, you talk about data And they just dispatched it. So I'll grab that event and and get the data of the updated person.

a URL. And this is how you

I do this all the time. I'm like, rid I'll just have an array and join it with an ampersand, you know? Yeah.

because it's so used

And outside of that, you get the you get every little piece of There's probably 15 different flavors of markdown, which is a bummer because platforms

who had never used this API came to this, API and decided,

rid It's just interesting. And I I I love the fact that So this could be used to do that, right? Yeah. That's that's yeah.

either a, a whole bunch of kind of the the interesting thing is that there is no file system Node land, there was, Crazy that there are so many Hey, everybody. Welcome to Syntax. Today, we've got a show for you on it's immutable, meaning that if you want to write to file of them. They'll let you. But if you redeploy that thing, boom, it's gone.

So a lot of times you'll see websites using query params to

we have a set of APIs. So at the end of the day, it's all just rid JavaScript. And a lot of these all of these APIs, I I was gonna say a lot of them, every single API we're talking about today rid is a browser API a good example is If you have a React application standard, web request, and web response But in most modern deployment, rid. The client That was like something built on top of Fetch.

The What working group. And so now we have another standards API. You might be thinking like why why do we need those? Well, The thing about the web standards group and the reason why we never had fetch in Node Vercel's AI library, which uses these new server side runtimes the search. URL.

rid Dude, they bubble they bubble up and you can listen and you can you can put data in custom events. So you if you want to, like, say, alright, anybody who cares That I just updated user 123.

you could add multiple event listeners by accident.

I love

rid.

async await, ESM, import export, arrow functions, all of that stuff. That's JavaScript. Right? And then you the w three c has things like WebRTC, rid. See the streams API, web components.

rid. On the server side, on the client side, on the I mean, JavaScript can run anywhere.

implement. That's kind of how you build a Cloudflare Worker. The entry point is rid. Literally listening for a fetch event.

params. So you can

Or request that path name.

for Mhmm. Your script starting and stopping because, like, honestly, that's probably not all that useful.

1 or 2 things. What was it called again? Yeah.

Significantly smaller than Axios. It probably doesn't have feature parity, but it does most of the things that I want. Sometimes I get that with With packages is like, I'm using this massive package, but

gives you your,

because versus You probably still wanna be using these standard APIs because they are the sort of the way forward. Yeah, I think that's a great message, yeah. All right, so we'll start with the first one which is fetch.

who,

at event listener. You're probably used to using at event listener for clicks and other events in the browser. Well, surprise surprise, the exact API works also in on the server. There is not a whole lot of markdown is no longer a standard. If you take some GitHub flavored markdown and try to render it in something that is not GitHub flavored, rid Probably not.

Rid. I mean, those of you out there, it's a good API

But I think the the point in which we're gonna get to is, like, what is the common thread here to support the most of these? Yeah. And

Rid. That's no fetch, right? It is so fetch.

KY from Sundreis allows you to trailing commas and you can do Comments and Comments, And then you can you can send blobs to services to download them. You can Save them to disk. You can just send them back to the user,

JavaScript that runs.

It's a good API to standardize on because it's one that everybody's familiar with. It it largely feels like it doesn't necessarily feel like there are things missing from it. Now granted, you know, there's there's definitely like little wrappers and things you could put around it that make it nicer

a little confusing in in terms of, like, what it means for browser JavaScript.

rid. Do I have to support these things? And the answer is ultimately no. You wherever your server side code is running, that's where Yeah. You need to support it.

a URL

Rid. I'll go back and look in the chat.

the thing coming in, and it gives you a response, The thing going out, and you also get the event. The event has a bunch of information about headers and IP addresses and all the stuff you probably used to So

You know, if you're newer to JavaScript,

Have is a bad idea.

to TC 39. And TC 39 is, Rid. The real benefit is that you can make your own events.

runtime community group. And they're ready. Trying to figure out a set of standard APIs so that There's a bunch of It might make sense for you to start to think about Treats non 200 status codes as redirects. Retries failed request, that's a big one why people use Axios.

But the the real benefit Here is not that you can listen it's a fetch event and it gives you 2 things. It gives you a request, I'll take them. Awesome. Alright. So rid I did a talk at Reactathon for that coming in. And then on the event, there's event. Respondwith it's pretty awesome because rid.

you think about like database connections or Redis or stuff like that, they're oftentimes

can get parameters rid. Adeno edge function or or Vercel edge function or something like that.

and keeps it in sync. And likewise, you can read them really

Or like on connect method. Yeah. I wonder why they they don't use custom events. Like, what's the downside there? Yeah.

are sort of the building blocks So I I actually reached out to the guy and asked if he wanted to come on the podcast because, on before close or whatever the that browser API is before you close the tab.

And so

server side run times,

To add or remove params, you just do dollar sign params dot whatever param you want, and then you can just update it. And it automatically updates it In the URL bar,

URL is a API that is in the browser and this is for parsing out URLs. So you It's a new URL, you pass it actual file. And on that, you'll have a name of the file, I don't know to the into the 2nd variable.

a request. So you getyou have like request.url You can just you can set that default but it's still an awesome resource to sort of look Because

transport your code in different places. Exactly. So there's

a new rid community group called the Winter CG, which is the web interoperable you could just put like

which is essentially just

everybody's story, obviously, but I would imagine a lot of people And it ultimately doesn't mean

re encountered URL search params for the very first time when using React router. And they were like, how do I get query params? And React routers official stance was always, We're not gonna build this into the library because it's a browser API. Just use URL search brands.

Yeah. You only have to support

You know, maybe that would be an issue a 130 blog posts and find every instance of

The syntax site, which you might find to be interesting But it says worker tools as the main header. Oh, yeah. Update that.

because support in any of these yet. So if you do want to do things like write files, which is sort of like an interface for multiple, then it stops working. That's why sometimes you see like people will post a tip, Here's how you do this in markdown and it works great. Like my favorite was Trailing comma is the big one for me. Rid. Such a pain in the butt to not be able to do a trailing comma because if you

But, basically you pass on a param string to a new URL search params and it just,

is not that there is

you know, with these different File? I wan Yeah. I don't know

You'll be able to essentially

the URL Rid. Somebody canceled that upload and they're gonna they're gonna redo it. Oh, they they they uploaded the wrong file or rid. I gotta I gotta do this at different times. Hit cancel copied and the other ones will just reference it, which is often rid What you want. Right? Like you you generally don't always want to make a whole entire copy, but sometimes you do. Sometimes you wanna create an entire deep clone all the way down, nested as many levels deep as you can possibly want. So Where like you have to sit there and wait for it to to figure it out. At first I was like this is like don't fool me. Yeah. Just think you're doing it twice.

that you could want, the protocol, the path name, search params, host, etcetera, response, write to file systems, so it's not a really high priority, I don't think.

In browser APIs, then You have BUN. I don't know if anyone's running BUN in production It's not a big thing. It's it's as you are rendering it you're literally so you can return data. That's that's the whole response thing. So The whole idea of fetch,

Oh, shoot. Now I gotta learn how to actually work with browser APIs a a one language

we were saying, is Node ever going to get native fetch? And now Node has native fetch and

in front end dev

and same thing with service workers and resize observer. All of those things were developed in terms of the browser and that everyone kind of was like, well, why don't we have this in We talk about what web streams are and and how they work.

Like the map, URL search brands and URL is the history API, which is ready. Yep.

that you usually want it in internally.

I mean, fetch has only been in I know we'll we'll get to the actual APIs in a minute here. But I I you know, Fetch has been a node now for For the same things in all of these different contexts. And that's really the beauty of being able to write JavaScript

a whole bunch of nice methods on it. Yeah. It's very closer to Yeah.

event emitter,

pass that whole URL to a URL constructor, or an array

And whether or not that was a, you know, a controversial decision or, You know, something people love. But I I would imagine that a lot of people in the React world,

Edge Functions run. And, you know, we have Cloudflare.

rid. URL params store,

I'm curious. May like maybe I think a lot of the legacy stuff was just wrapping it, submitting requests. However, So it's probably never gonna happen, which is a bit of a bummer.

what you're running on. So you don't have to worry about any of these if you're writing a node app or node. Right?

I only used it for So if you build a Cloudflare Worker or that I have to sit here and wait for this thing to Fake type it out to me. Just reading a stream.

For a lot of the stuff that we build and send over to the server and especially something called web streams. We'll talk about it just a second. Yeah.

I know. But it rid. It was new. Okay? It was new. It interesting. Yeah.

How many times have we said that joke on this podcast? We need the AI thing to count it for us. Yeah.

stores. The OG data store is the URL. Right? Oh, I love it. Right. Rid Put stuff in the URL. That's really nice that it like because the other API that kind of goes along with

it isn't it is like

except And when a fetch event comes in, that is essentially a request.

Content that needs to be filtered. Put those filters into the dang URL as either query params or you can also do it as, like, actual slashes in URLs. But Having your application state in a way for things like filtering or sorting or those types of things in the URL is

and it essentially just works as a Svelte store called params or something. I forget what it is. Rid

that's such a good place

Web streams. We have an entire episode. You go back and listen to Episode In the world, right? Because JSON is not just JavaScript. JavaScript JSON is is universal. It's every programming language. So Will we get that? oh, I actually want to know that that user was updated, angle brackets around it and it'll just automatically turn into a link.

I've it's funny how I think a lot of people would go that route,

or why didn't we have fetch for the longest time? It's because they didn't really conform of that. But now we're starting to see Node implement gone over to Hano JS, Yeah. Like, oh, yeah. You're a I get it. You're a person.

There's Deno deploy. Netlify Edge Functions run on Deno. Rid. Supabase, MDX, like JSX tags, I think was like impossible.

just because it does feel like, oh, it it would be easy enough to do. You know what I have been doing recently, Weston, what I'm doing on

node? Rid. Right? Like because Node conforms Java,

params,

That's that's, like, I think just a thing because sometimes you you see all of these different things, the bun, the Dino, the the and people might worry, libraries like just using their own like on method do state for things like that. And I think that's largely, especially for interface stuff. Right? You have

Rid And that's the whole that's the amazing part about this is that they're taking because we've standardized browser APIs because we've had so many browsers and we needed rid. Do that. And now that we have a lot of server side APIs, the browser file system API or just do nothing at all because they're kind of on the fence of rid Whether they should standardize on it it is using

in there, which is really nice. Yeah, I thought it was rid neat little thing. But, yeah, I that is it is funny because I never used Axios, and I was always like, I don't know why. And then, sure, I send you this.

So now that if we standardize on the APIs,

I don't get it. Why do you never use it? Yeah. I've never used it. And then you sent me a package the other day that is now being used on the server. And and and the way that you're able to cancel a fetch request is with a abort controller and abort signal. Rid Yeah. That makes sense. I I don't know why I've never ever implemented these things. I guess I don't work with that many long running user initiated processes. Right? Like, if it's a if it's a fetch request and you're just fetching, like, an API, then you have, like, sort of this little,

specific APIs for each of them. Rid There there are, but the the whole idea is that we're gonna standardize. And the thing that they're standardizing The other one will update, right? It kinda like you have a live variable to the other one. And then you can do like a spread

to pull out my URL search params.

fetch is also the basis for

shows.

very much for client client side JavaScript in this context.

Yeah. To work with URL params, I found this to be, there's a Svelte

But the structured JSON, this is just a package that he created. But like wouldn't it be cool In the same on the flip side, if you ever have to construct So in order to make them I have it in a couple of my Rid. There is I talked about the fetch event, which most The first one. Yeah. Yeah. Because if you don't, there's a possibility that the first one comes back second, under underutilized rid. Make your code work across all of them. We're starting to see people shift from, on references You got to look up the difference between encode URI and encode URI component.

moved to this new params so much easier. So, like, if you ever kind of their own version of this, and now Node has implemented add event listener.

So that's that's like really interesting because

And they lose their type. So you have to

let's say data

type of JSON parsing Like a JavaScript map. So it has append, delete, entries, get, get all, has,

Rid. That's sending

Man, that's cool.

stuff on the to and from.

Serialize and deserialize what feels like a decent amount of time, but ultimately in the timeline of things like a couple of Years ago when we were doing the show talking about Deno, yeah. Comments, come on. Can we get comments? Come on. Please.

We you know, deploy all these other ones don't have the concept of a file system.

I mean, for those of you who don't know when you're sending, state because you can share it. You can share a URL with query params and have it encompass state.

from server to client,

more JS types across the network. I love it.

you can't like you said, there's some things you can't send as is. Right?

Dates are like often a problem as well. Right? In the web world, we're so used to having to support different things. But here,

so long to get a response.

that you have canceled it without any special APIs or rid Controllers or anything like that. I just thought like, wow, that is

you get a you can create a web stream on the server, and then you you use fetch To accept the stream on the client.

AI providers, somewhat soon, you know? Like, I guess getting a battery in there is gonna rid Kinda tricky, but I can't lose mine because I always have them on. But Oh, yeah. Yeah. My wife just puts them on sometimes. And I the whole glasses industry is such a scam.

comes up when I'm looking

Is that considered an RPC? making my own events, first off. And I do use them on the front end quite a bit. And then every time I use 1 on the front end, I'm just like, man, I really don't

Rid. But there is file.

and, like, you type let's say I'm searching on the syntax website and I type you can easily convert them. Like a good example is like streams.

Yeah. These are the Welcome, Scott. How you doing today? Oh, hey. I'm doing good, man.

ready. Can say input dot value, you get rid Or array. From or anything like that, and that will take a copy of the top level values. But if you have like a nested object

So if you have a fetch request that's that's going on. I talked earlier about how nice it is rid. To cancel a stream,

that you can use pretty new. Safari 15.4. So it's only been around for about a year,

If you wanna run Vite on Deno, you wanna run Vite on Node, Vite is a build tool. It does lots of file system stuff, you know? Mhmm. So So wouldn't it be nice to have a single

or file API. Now you also have abort controller and abort signal here. I've never used either of these APIs.

in blob format. They're just in memory.

whatever it is that you want. So again, file is a standard And parse and you want to like say API. Syntax. Fm, You don't want to prefix that every single time you just want to say like forward slash No. The that's

Which is funny because And like I proposed it to NPM So if you have and doesn't even support web streams.

for of server side APIs OpenAI API, our our code will run across them all. You might be thinking, Wes, isn't there already that has They support streaming if the person does not have access if if the browser does not have access to your file system because you've denied it It will just deny it. Yeah. So then Yeah. Why not implement the file system? Because like I can imagine something like Vite.

And if you are doing anything with files, don't use the Node API, use the standardized file system

you're likely just

like, I think the one time I've used it is rid. Two things, incoming and outgoing requests and responses.

in their own node package not a lot of people

rid A lot of them will just say, alright, well, just I'm gonna abort it, or a lot of these autocomplete packages will do it for you as well.

Do not support Node. That is changing because people just want to use a lot of people don't care about any of the stuff we're talking about today. They just want to npm install something in it. They want it to work. Right? Jip it. So if something uses node APIs, Deno fully supports rid. Even if you're just writing note at the end of day, you're never gonna deploy it to anything else. You're just running a render server.

hold Files, and probably the most popular implementation of file is you have input type of file. When somebody And saying, all right, well now you have 2 variables that point to the same piece of data, and if you updated either one of them I So you're saying whenever somebody hits this URL, rid Loop over them. You can pull individual ones out. You can append. You can get. I mean, you if you're working with params, this API should be very comfortable to you. And especially because it's not just like an array or an object of data. It is, and you can get an object if you really want to.

rid. Interfaces

rid So you're thinking like, oh, why doesn't Node have

do this for you. Yeah. Rid. Right, yeah, you don't really have to think about it too much. If you're using like Kind of like clumsy things that I do. I was in the gym and I was doing like a rotational chop thing where you got some resistance and you're doing like chop movement. Yeah. And,

abort signal and abort controller under the hood.

standard library that, like, consolidates it? And But like a standard fetch request does not have like a cancel method on it. What you have to do is you create an abort controller and pass it to your fetch request.

selects a file from an input, all node APIs now. So that's great. Rid. Cloudflare

a lot of these And then there's like error it's it's gotta be to reimplement an a whole new Standard like this if you know your prescription, you don't Have or the browser client is my example, you could go server to server if you really wanted to. But like throwing it out the door to the client

Rid And Cloudflare, Bun, Fastly, Alibaba Cloud. There's always like there's more rid server side JavaScript runtimes than there are client side, a lot of these browser APIs So rid. Discussions of can we move to at least move to JSON5? Yeah, it's streaming. It's streaming the this is this is not a browser API. So the structured clone is a standard API, specifically, because I use the, like, interceptor and default stuff, which is funny because we did a whole show on Why do people still use Axios? And you were like, nah, whenever you tell somebody to add something to your Versus Code, browser APIs.

either an array or a single

you thing that And you can move files around And that's kind of what the show is about today. I'm pretty excited to dive into it. So number 587.

Seems like that's a bit of a conflict of interest. I get my Typically get my glasses from a rather fancy place that I've always been to though. So, it's running on the client. It's running on your Yeah. Your your computer.

How when building stuff. So

now, The only the allows you to stringify Rid You can deploy that to serverless node or long running node. We have Deno.

where I I lived before, was that they both have a seat. There's not like a there's 1 in Chicago or in Ann Arbor or whatever. But it is is that I've always just gotten in there. Either way, I like fancy glasses. These cheap ones, that are, you know, I buy direct are definitely garbage, but

and There's now 2 requests in flight, and there's a possibility that the Yeah.

rid. Yeah. It it's actually one of the funny little, coincidences between Denver and Ann Arbor, into your

it might make sense for you to start especially if you're a package author, load and unload are when your script starts and stops.

if you write server side JavaScript You have to you used to have to tell them, Hey, make sure you put a comma on the line before without breaking the existing JSON. Oh man, That's like 2 levels deep.

We didn't talk about this, but I than anybody coming from something like you used to use. Rid. Do you still use Axios?

Couple of pairs from some like Ibuy direct and like cheap sites. I got some like emergency

prescription pairs for like $40 or something. And they're decent, Tools

I did a movement and my glasses have always been kind of loose and they just fell off my head. And then as a part of the movement, I took a step and just Godzilla stepped right onto them and just Rid And keeping those in sync can kind of be tricky, so it's nice that they just do it for you. Yeah. I'll I'll I'll post a little Code snippet in the show notes or at least a link to a code from the actual repo. So anybody out there can see it's pretty neat. But you know what?

oh, I'll just write this thing entirely in node APIs to, if rid. Possible. I'll write this thing in JavaScript APIs.

destroyed they do all, like, custom glasses see eyewear. And,

and I felt it instantly. I was like, ah, shoot. I mean, but they were they were old. They were kinda nasty. Like, what are you wearing Now, are you do you have backups? No. I'm just squinting right now. You don't you don't have any backup glasses? So I ordered like an emergency

dude, you want to talk about, like, classic

just like,

but I I was wearing contacts. I have contacts, but my eyes have been rid. Wigging out

actually broke them into like 5 pieces. Oh. It was just 1 step,

which is wild to think about.

rid. Server side run times and the APIs that we need to use in order to target them all. So there's sort of this, like, new Rid I don't I don't know. That's a good that's I was just thinking that as as you're, like, oh, this sounds like RPC. Right? Yeah. Totally. Kind of. I I guess so. It might be more of like a networking level thing, but it kind of the same idea of you call something client side and it executes So fetch is obviously used for s 3 or something like Cloudinary to hold your photos or or user uploads. But where they browse their file system API

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how if I could have glasses. My wife has them and she loses them all the time. And I was like, when are we gonna get find my and then you'll have what's called a blob. And a blob is the binary data representation structure clone When I'm doing like a autocomplete search rid Even I think even

to pay 6 times the price if you at the optometrist.

Rid. Like it's we're starting to see a lot of like online companies pop up, and you realize, oh, you can literally call stream. Cancel have The reason why there's not there's none yet is because or something like that So you do have to sit there and wait for the entire thing. That's sometimes why it takes rid Just tell yourself, okay, let me pause for a second and figure out is there a web standards way? Because name.